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05-31-2021 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Variance51
That is highly misleading. They are talking about the land border. Canadians are allowed to fly in. Think you might have to present a negative test still though. Canadians are allowed entry into the US, and I'm almost certain that they have been allowed in for the entirety of the pandemic.
You're right about flying from Canada, but a negative COVID test is indeed required.

I would hope that by the time of the World Series, this will be true for most countries.
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05-31-2021 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by parisron
A Florida concert promoter is charging $18 for tickets for an upcoming punk-rock concert to people who are vaccinated and $1,000 to those who are not.
That’s obviously a publicity stunt. One that works because it made the news across the world.

Highly doubt any organizer would do that for a country music festival or NASCAR race. TBH, it’s not even that different for the Knicks situation. If you live in New York and can afford Knicks tickets, it’s highly likely you’re vaccinated unless there’s a medical reason not to.

@ prizminferno: if you’re interested in betting on something like <200k total entries in live US WSOP events this Fall, we can talk.
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05-31-2021 , 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
There's been a lot of back and forth over masks in this thread. A pet peeve of mine: the anti-mask people seem to assume that the pro-mask people want the masks to stay around forever. 95% of us want them gone and to get back to normal just as much as anyone, we just wanted precautions to be followed and for it to be safe. Different pro-mask people have different views on when that milestone was/will be reached, even for different scenarios. But cases are dropping rapidly in places where vaccination rates are high, so almost all the pro-mask people will be happily unmasking soon.

There's no need for animosity about this any more. Very very few people are going to be wearing masks regularly in 3 months, 6 months, a year, etc.

Other pet peeve: there seems to be a lot of pushback to the idea that we should normalize that if you're sick and you're out and about with others in tight spaces, you should wear a mask out of politeness. Like, this goes way beyond covid and way beyond fear of serious illness. I don't like catching a cold, do you? Now that I realize how easy it is to prevent a lot of the spread, it seems like an obvious thing to do.

So if you're coughing, sneezing, etc and you insist on playing poker (which I understand in an MTT for day 2, 3, etc because you've got a ton of equity), please wear a mask. Perhaps if we all take this simple step, we can stop having the "Rio flu" be a thing every year.
I 100% agree with everything you said here.
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05-31-2021 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by namisgr11
Needless to say, your knee jerk sloganeering is profoundly off base. For one thing, those trusting pandemic science are fully vaccinated, and rather than having lost have won back their freedoms of movement, activity, work, socialization, playing live poker, etc without the risk of becoming seriously ill.

Another thing is that the rate at which people are contracting COVID today isn't any lower for the unvaccinated. Not enough people have been vaccinated and the community spread of the virus hasn't abated to the point needed for herd immunity.

So what exactly have I 'lost' by having practiced proper public health risk mitigation measures, being in a high risk group but along with my wife and adult son having the good fortune to not have been infected for 12 months, until such time as I could be fully vaccinated with a safe and incredibly efficacious vaccine?
I didn't do any of that bullshit, never stopped going out, never stopped playing poker and didn't get COVID. And know nobody that did because you have to play in a COVID pigpen to get it. Good job wasting a year of your life, welcome back to the free world.
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05-31-2021 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by prizminferno
I didn't do any of that bullshit, never stopped going out, never stopped playing poker and didn't get COVID.
I'm sure the 600,000 Americans who died would be thrilled for you. You were fortunate, but not a singular case proving anything. Your probability of contracting COVID didn't guarantee an outcome, and every instance of failing to abide by proven public health mitigation measures increased your chances of infection.

Things are looking much, much better now in the US, and should be even better still by the fall and WSOP time. And we'll just have to see how the field sizes will be impacted by any travel restrictions that might remain from countries still experiencing poor pandemic control and a low vaccination percentage in the population. It wouldn't be surprising if some of those entering the country for the Series will be required to have a negative recent test result.
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05-31-2021 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by namisgr11
I'm sure the 600,000 Americans who died will be thrilled for you. You were fortunate, but not a singular case proving anything. Your probability of contracting COVID didn't guarantee an outcome, and every instance of failing to abide by proven public health mitigation measures increased your chances of infection.

Things are looking much, much better now in the US, and should be even better still by the fall and WSOP time. And we'll just have to see how the field sizes will be impacted by any travel restrictions that might remain from countries still experiencing poor pandemic control and a low vaccination percentage in the population.
The actual deaths from "COVID" are like 35k. The rest had an average of 4 co-morbidities. But go off and keep getting your Krispy Kreme donut reward.
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05-31-2021 , 03:40 PM
Do you have any evidence to back up that 35k death claim, or are you still so angry that the rest of the world around you did the right thing and saved millions of lives?
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05-31-2021 , 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by prizminferno
The actual deaths from "COVID" are like 35k. The rest had an average of 4 co-morbidities. But go off and keep getting your Krispy Kreme donut reward.
This is an outright lie. I teach the law to the judges who certify deaths in Texas, and have spoken extensively with them about their experiences.

Also, there were more than 500,000 excess deaths in the US in 2020 compared to an average year. So either those deaths are attributable to COVID, or a WHOLE lot more people just started dying of diabetes, asthma, and the other "co-morbidities" that you refer to that don't actually kill people at anything approaching that number.
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05-31-2021 , 04:06 PM
Mod note: This thread is about the 2021 WSOP. Everything at least somewhat related is fair game, because we don’t have another COVID thread in NVG. That’s it. No flu-bro stuff, COVID denying or politarding. There are plenty other places on the internet to do that stuff. Thank you.
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05-31-2021 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Variance51
That is highly misleading. They are talking about the land border. Canadians are allowed to fly in. Think you might have to present a negative test still though. Canadians are allowed entry into the US, and I'm almost certain that they have been allowed in for the entirety of the pandemic.
This is accurate, but needs some context. The Canadian government has a travel advisory to avoid non-essential travel pretty much everywhere, including the US, and that remains the case. That's what I think we'll see being lifted within the next month, maybe two. But yes, since it's just an advisory, with nothing to enforce, I'm sure there has been non-essential air travel happening. One of the weird policy anomalies Covid has seen.
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05-31-2021 , 09:43 PM
can mods get that google doc of vegas summer event calendar into the OP or something like that? tyty

from this post
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05-31-2021 , 09:49 PM
Done.

Actual NVG mods should feel free to edit if they don't like that addition for some reason.
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06-01-2021 , 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by madlex
Mod note: This thread is about the 2021 WSOP. Everything at least somewhat related is fair game, because we don’t have another COVID thread in NVG. That’s it. No flu-bro stuff, COVID denying or politarding. There are plenty other places on the internet to do that stuff. Thank you.
Agreed. But is it OK to point out that PrizmInferno is a stupid, selfish, evil ****? Or is that going too far?

Thanks, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
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06-01-2021 , 01:06 PM
Every few days I log on here, hoping to read about some information on the WSOP and not more Covid arguments, and every few days I’m disappointed. Oh well, I’ll try again in a few days, but I’m sure I’ll be disappointed then too.
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06-01-2021 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Greg (FossilMan)
Agreed. But is it OK to point out that PrizmInferno is a stupid, selfish, evil ****? Or is that going too far?

Thanks, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
Calling him evil is going too far, but stupid and selfish don't seem out of line based on what he said. If you thought everyone on earth was evil for acting in their own best interest you'd think you are in hell.

Also, if you think 100% of the population was better off by staying at home and not going out during the pandemic you should include yourself in the stupid category w/ priz.
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06-01-2021 , 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Greg (FossilMan)
Agreed. But is it OK to point out that PrizmInferno is a stupid, selfish, evil ****? Or is that going too far?

Thanks, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
This makes me wish this site had a "Like" button
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06-01-2021 , 11:29 PM
Plexiglass No More: PokerNews’ Room-By-Room Look Into Las Vegas Poker

Lots of pics:
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2021/...egas-39251.htm
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06-01-2021 , 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Plexiglass No More: PokerNews’ Room-By-Room Look Into Las Vegas Poker

Lots of pics:
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2021/...egas-39251.htm
Can you just openly post porn like this on 2+2 now? Crazy
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06-02-2021 , 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Plexiglass No More: PokerNews’ Room-By-Room Look Into Las Vegas Poker

Lots of pics:
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2021/...egas-39251.htm
Brought a tear to my eye....
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06-02-2021 , 02:08 AM
The WSOP might be making a mistake every day that goes by and they don't release a schedule. In a normal year most wouldn't care because everyone has a general idea of the schedule. Taking time off in the summer is easy and already assumed every year. However, this year everyone is trying to decide how much time and money to allocate to going to play this summer's events vs. saving it up and waiting for the series. In addition, if you want to play specific events at the WSOP, but you don't know if you would be able to go when they schedule it, you may just plan to go play events this summer and skip WSOP this year.

I get that no one wants a rushed and poorly put together schedule, but any idea on what is the holdup?
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06-02-2021 , 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Variance51
but any idea on what is the holdup?
I heard there was a pandemic that might be making planning difficult.
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06-02-2021 , 03:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
I heard there was a pandemic that might be making planning difficult.
Sure, but it seems like all systems are a go for Vegas right now. Any schedule would be presumed as contingent, regardless of when they release it.

Maybe my comments were somewhat premature. It's still 4 months out. Felt a lot closer.

Last edited by Variance51; 06-02-2021 at 03:37 AM.
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06-02-2021 , 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by parisron
Plexiglass No More: PokerNews’ Room-By-Room Look Into Las Vegas Poker

Lots of pics:
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2021/...egas-39251.htm
Looks like all are 8-handed which will be the norm. It is more space for players on the table, but this 8-handed thing is the new cancer of poker, it is as bad as 6-5 BJ and 000 roulette!
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06-02-2021 , 08:24 AM
Why is 8 handed so bad?
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06-02-2021 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Variance51
Sure, but it seems like all systems are a go for Vegas right now. Any schedule would be presumed as contingent, regardless of when they release it.

Maybe my comments were somewhat premature. It's still 4 months out. Felt a lot closer.
I agree; I would assume the schedule should be mostly set far in advance. I do kind of feel this way every year though... always wonder why they don't release schedule farther in advance.
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