He didn't say you weren't winning. He said there is no way to predict your future outcomes based on the past.

lol i love this game

Those two guys above you probably have played like 200 hands and have annointed themselves crushers 🤣

Not that there’s anything wrong with that, we all did it, back in 2004 but we all did it

Are you talking about me buddy?

anyone mentioning word crushing in 2021 u know has no clue about poker lol

I remember when that site PokerTableRatings was in its heyday around 2008 and nanonoko was the biggest midstakes crusher over literally millions of hands, he didn’t have a bb/100 over around 3.6 for any stake at a meaningful sample - and that was in 2008!

Lol if 2021 folks are gonna lie at least lie somewhat convincingly

everyone showing their crushing winrate after 200k hands upswing or 300-400k hands without any massive downswing. i never take anyones winrate seriously unless they show me on graph a period of around 100k hands of run bad

You don't even think a 7bb/100 winrate is even possible over a meaningful sample? What would you consider a meaniningful sample? 300k hands? 500k? 1MM? More?

Nanonoko was 24 tabling almost constantly, he wasn't the biggest crusher, he was the biggest grinder. If nanonoko was really good he would have played higher.

I had 6bb/100 back in the day according to PTR. I didn't play very much so I'm sure it's not significant.



And that's full ring, not 6max!

I know it's only ~100k hands, but it's not 200 hands either. I literally started using a HUD for the first time this year and I've been playing online since 2004, never felt I needed one. I haven't put in tons of volume mostly cause I binked 6 figs in a tournament earlier this year.

Poker ain't that hard dude, we can't all be crushers though .

If your winrate is high enough a 100k hand stretch of runbad is still going up considerably. And if you play full ring and a nittier style like myself you aren't going to have really any kind of serious downswings.

Variance is measured in the long term, and none of us will live long enough for it to even out.

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That site measured winrates in big bets so that seems like a pretty sweet win rate to me given the insane mass tabling

He did play higher, up to 50/100 as I recall when it ran. And if you can think of a single mid stakes player who won more or was able to sustain a winrate like that I’d like to hear about him.

The fact is that nobody is achieving close to these winrates you speak about over meaningful samples and they weren’t even then.

Congrats on your six figure bink if it’s true but no one believes your silly claims about winrates

yes, he did play some high stakes and the sharks came swimming as if he were chum. he ran hot in the beginning but then variance evened out a bit, he lost a bunch, then quit the games.

Rick knows what he is talking about and you don't, so i suggest you save yourself some embarrassment and abandon the topic. it's so strange when people who have no clue discuss things as an authority. i guess that's what jealousy can do, eh?

Thanks, definitely true.

Off the top of my head I think TimStone, venivici, Yadameen were probably bigger bb/100 winners at midstakes but it's been over a decade since I played any of those games on pokerstars so I don't really remember. Too bad PTR isn't around anymore.

he won tons at 1k 2k and 5k nl also for huge samples, ofc he was losing vs the best players focusing on exploiting than since he was multitabling also. conlusion is he was the biggest winner in poker than apart from 1-5 plrs sun running at high stakes.

let's agree to disagree as this is going nowhere. you say he was a highstakes crusher, i say he wasn't. cheers.

Rick made the comment ‘you’re not crushing unless you’re winning 10bb/100’ something that approximately no one has done in online ring games over a meaningful sample let alone in 2021, and he knows what he’s talking about. Lol. Thanks for your input bud

1bb winners are probably the crushers by today’s standards

dunno **** about you or the state of hs poker, so this is as hot as a take probably gets but...

the above pretty much reads like someone who runs well and thinks it's entirely due to skill

I mean maybe that's not you, but the same words are leaving your mouth that would be leaving theirs

You playing any poker in 2021? Games aren't harder. Not on the site I play on at least.

1bb/100 winners are crushers? Lol. Definitely not.

We'll see how I run over the next 100k hands I guess then.

I think what I'm learning in this thread is that maybe I'm not as mediocre of a poker player as I'd thought I was.

yeah cuz that proves anything :P

you can run really well and still be good at poker, so it's not shitting on your skill to point out you sound exactly like someone who doesn't realize how well they run. In fact all the top players are going to be in the category of run well play well, otherwise they wouldn't be the top players. Hell the majority of players who make it at poker did so because they ran well when they started out, if they didn't they probably wouldn't have stuck around to make it at poker, I'm no exception, aint no shame in the fact the cosmos didn't decide to **** you in the ass

its ok poker will humble u in no time, u cant escape that evan if ur v good

the title of the thread is "there is no way to tell if you're a winning player"

I can tell I am a winning player because I am winning.

But how much will you lose?

everything......

Grunch: It is possible to win every hand of poker you ever play. However, the likelihood of this is so small that there may not be enough 0's in the universe to relate the likelhood. It is possible to lose every hand of poker you ever play. However, the likelihood of this is so small that there may not be enough 0's in the universe to relate the likelhood.

You could play poker 10 hours a day form the age of 20 to the age of 90 and be a winner. However, if you had lived to be 91 you could have lost every penny you earned in the previous 70 years.

I would agree that it is impossible to tell if one is or is not a winning player.

Doyle Brunson is going to regret the day he stops running good.