I think something bad happened. Regardless, going from P is a generally held belief to P is the truth is very silly .

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This is no different in badness as if the time ivey folded the flush at WSOP someone in the crowd saw it as he went to muck and yelled you have a flush.

player A seemingly failed in their duty to understand the aspects of the deal shoves every hand
player B realizes and folds waiting for a good enough hand to snap off
nonplayer A informs Player A
Player A stops shoving
Player A goes from chip disadvantage to 2-1 chip lead as a result and starts playing at the skill level that got them to heads up

it is extremely different in badness.

I'll admit here that I haven't really thought this through, but was the announcement necessarily to Badbomen's detriment?

To clarify, Tlsouto was shoving ATC every hand, while Badbomen was waiting to get something good enough to call off, correct? (I'm actually asking, so if I'm misunderstanding the situation, please tell me.)

Suppose Badbomen was playing too tight of a calling range, and thus was folding too many hands. Overall, Tlsouto's repeated all-ins will just pad his chip stack. And assuming Badbomen doesn't adjust accordingly, he's just burning equity. Then the reminder comes in. Pyefacepoker tells both people that there is still $10K at stake. Tlsouto stops moving in with every hand, and in doing so, he negates the advantage he was enjoying with his shove-happy play (even if he was reaping the edge unwittingly).

In that case, the warning helped Badbomen and hurt Tlsouto, right?

Again, this is mostly top-of-my-head thinking as I type this. If I'm wrong, I'd like to know why. My point is that Pyefacepoker did not necessarily hamper Badbomen's equity. Unfortunately, I don't know how experienced Badbomen is and, more importantly, how much of a handle he has on the correct calling range there.

i don't think people are giving enough/any weight to the misunderstanding causing the guy to shove every hand - playing sub optimally and giving an edge to the other guy - simply because distribution made it not go that way.

there's (easily) a world where shover guy just gets called and loses before pyeface can intervene and then he's the one that feels hard done by.

He can feel that way but the blame is squarely on him

Just like you can blame the dealer if they muck your hand but it still ends up on you for not protecting your hand

This is the biggest nothing burger. Completely fine he reminded them they were playing for $10k.

Yeah, this is ultimately my take. It might even be one of his "jobs" as a Team Online guy, I have no idea. If so, then to suggest he unfairly influenced play is just as nonsensical as blaming the TD in a live tourney for making an announcement about the next scheduled break, and having that affect a fold/call decision somewhere in the room. Did it? Perhaps? Unfairly? No.

And just to go all results-oriented in a different way, that Tlsouto stopped shoving every hand and started playing probabbly demonstrates that he didn't know about the extra prize money until PyeFace's reminder.

It wasn't his role as stated by him.


That's exactly the point though he essentially was gifted a 2-1 chip advantage before actually playing heads up because of the timing of the interference

You’re entitled to your take but should respect that the overwhelming majority of posters in this thread disagrees with your opinion.

This is indeed a nothingburger.

Even after letting the players know they were playing for 10K, they could have resumed shoving every hand anyway. It's up to them.

However, let's say the team online guy never said anything, and then the player gets mad thinking there was a deal done with nothing up top. That would not be good.

Lot of hypotheticals, but the team online guy did the right thing

i think this post clearly shows you haven't really understood the point i was making earlier (below) and you're just being results oriented. this was not a freeroll gift.

let's imagine i travel to a foreign country to enter the gold cup poison drinking tournament. i don't speak their language but i'm allowed to play - they'll do their best to make sure i understand as the stakes are very high!

hundreds of people enter and we each take our turn choosing from the golden cups. the lucky ones drink the water and keep the golden cup as a prize but the ones that get the poison, not so lucky. usually the experienced and most skilled cup pickers go furthest but there's a significant luck element.

finally, it's just me and one guy left. we decide to make a deal to share the majority of the golden cups! great stuff. but the rules state we must play for at least a smallish remaining number of cups and there's still poison out there. i didn't realise this, though (probably a language-based misunderstanding) and after the deal i just start recklessly chugging from as many of the cups as i can, luckily collecting extra safe gold cups. if i'd have picked the wrong cup the other guy would've been able to take all the remaining gold.

a watching tournament official sees this behaviour and realises i must not be aware that the risks of being poisoned are still out there and reminds me of the rules (they don't give me any help choosing the right cups, though). i'm shocked and return to carefully and slowly choosing my cups for the remainder of the tournament.

nice freeroll gift?

Not gonna lie, I googled it cuz I thought it was a real thing and it seemed pretty sick

lmao, let's get one going.

Just want to point out that these kinds of opinions are a big reason why poker is widely viewed as predatory.

Now this I don't disagree with

folding to get to 2-1 waiting for spots?!?!?! these tournaments are like shitting on a pile of money then lighting it on fire.

poker is inherently predatory. that is the beauty of it.

But poker is a game where everyone is trying to take everybody's money...

I think any of us could do it but 100 percent on all the time and you have to get lucky, I personally love that place but also love being anonymous. Play money is just as fun as real money.