As heads up started the 2 players reached a deal. Upon returning to play Tlsouto started shoving every hand while Badbomen folded hands waiting to call off


Pyefacepoker while streaming stepped into chat and stated a verbal reminder that they were playing for an extra $10k after stating he thought Tlsouto didn't realize and he wanted to make it fair to them. Tlsouto then stopped shoving and the chip counts had gone from an even split to a 2-1 lead for Tlsouto


Thoughts?

Meh. It was just a reminder.

Seems fine as lots of players don't know much English and maybe there was a problem there as I think the deal process is in English only

To put it mildly, doing what Pyefacepoker did is basically taking away a huge equity spot from Badbomen. He shouldn't have done that, period.

From what I remember, once a deal has been agreed upon on Pokerstars, moderators state both the payouts and how much is left to play for. That should be enough. If Tlsouto didn't get it the first time around, tough luck.

Lol @ ppl who think tough luck. How about u win playing poker. Y’all a bunch of haters if u want to win that way

Badbomen couldve had top 5% hand in the shoving hands and had a dominating chip lead at which point a separate thread is opened complaining how Tlsouto didn’t understanding the 10k difference and it should’ve been clearer.

No wrongdoing in my opinion.

Completely fine from pyefacepoker.

Seems fine

The reminder was a blunder, imo, but most likely unintentional.

Do Stars offer a translator in these situations?

This is fine IMO. It's like a neutral party sitting at a table reminding a player he is playing hi/lo (between hands).

I would also consider that example a blunder / somewhat inappropriate.

What an odd thing to feel entitled to.

Do you also get mad if someone points out to a player that he's been accidentally showing his cards to you every hand and needs to protect them better?

Do you get mad if players use their timebank to help a disconnected player from blinding out?

Do you get mad if someone intervenes from a pot being incorrectly shipped your way because a player misread his hand at showdown?

Lol such a bizarre choice of analogies in this context.

a) and c) I would point this out myself, b) lol no why? I would probably join in as well, but I don't see a moral obligation at all.

a) and c) would actually qualify as being super shady/borderline cheating in my book.

With that said, IF a player doesn't pay any attention when perfect information is given to him in an unequivocable manner, that's up to him. Would I point out to the other guy that $10,000 or whatever is still at stake and that he should play more seriously? Hell no, and neither would anybody else in this thread. What's more, no third party should get involved in this context at all. Pyefacepoker was literally stealing EV from Badbomen by doing what he did.

lol at "stealing" EV. So you do feel entitled to take advantage of a player who presumably doesn't even know that he's playing for money. We're all supposed to help enable this for you.

How do you make this about me lol. I don't feel entitled to ****. It's just my opion that third parties shouldn't get involved in a situation like that, that's all.

Just to give you a different example: Back in the day, Peter Eastgate played a hand on High Stakes Poker where he accidentally picked the wrong chips and made an enormous bet (something like $40,000 instead of $10,000, numbers may be off). Your favourite poker player (I'm going by your avatar lol) instantly started laughing and may even have made a remark (I think he did), thereby pointing out what had just happened to the entire table. Did it change the outcome of the hand? Who knows. Should your personal favourite, who wasn't even involved in the hand, just have shut the **** up on the off chance that it might? The answer is yes 100%, in my opinion.

When you say the PS Pro stated it in chat, do you mean the public chat? Or did he have some sort of special abilities chat (like a table manager type Stars employee would have)?

If the former, this seems like a pretty clear nothingburger. If the latter, I can see a sort of narrow interpretation/nitty argument to be made for the guy not shoving every hand. That said, if there was a language barrier I think the argument falls pretty flat.

Couldn't imagine thinking this is stealing EV or anything remotely offside. Seems similar to if the prize pool just popped up in the chat.

The fact that someone points it out to you can definitely change the outcome. Dude could have just not cared about the extra money but didn't want to look stupid once Pyefacepoker pointed it out publicly so he took it more serious.

$22 mtt players definitely care about an extra $10k.

after making a deal it should be made abundantly clear that both players understand there is more money to play for in the remaining hu. completely reasonable for pyefacepoker to assume that the player was not aware of this and to rectify the situation.

imo anyway.

He didn't seem to care all that much or else he would have read what was stated unequivocably in chat when the deal was agreed upon.

I would welcome something like this, if i was a player i would feel a bit gutted they didnt mention if i were somehow unaware, they dont make it that obvious anymore tbh like they used too

Nobody agrees with you that something bad or unethical happened.

You're wrong. Accept it.

Good on that guy for saying something. Imagine being triggered over this.