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Old 06-19-2021, 01:54 AM   #1
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So Upswing hire Fish coaches now?

They recently hired ALLinPav as an MTT coach. He plays midstakes MTT's and hilariously is actually winning the last 3 years. The problem is its not because he is good at poker its because he is just a fish on a mega heater, and when I say fish I mean a micro stakes level fish. He babbles on about GTO and studying and shilling all ICmizer and everything but if anyone has ever watched him play its clear he's just a button clicking fish who mainly plays from feel.

His whole poker game revolves around playing weak tight, blinding down to 3bb waiting to pick up hands, while butchering every second hand he plays. (with the occasional mega punt thrown in when he tries to play LAG) He has little idea about basics like SPR let alone ICM and proper pre flop ranges. Its comedy watching him play while arrogantly acting like he's a crusher. That's all cool until he's taking peoples money to 'coach' them while being unqualified. I would have expected a credible place like Upswing to have better standards. Clearly not. Some proof. Mind you, two years ago he declared on Joeys podcast that he was a better MTT player than Doug Polk. Let you be the judge of that.

He folds. "I might take 99" lol


Flats flop lol. Even a micro fish knows to jam flop with that SPR.


Folds turn. "He only has value there I don't have the equity" LOL


lol


Crapping his pants


Nice fold bro


"What value hands are you raising there?"


Oh


This one was epic. 770k up top here and commits ICM suicide by jamming "because villain has 3bet me 3 times previously"


GTO call


Pavs special 4d poker strategy of raising half his stack so he can fold if the remaining action gets too hot!


"Im calling, he might have diamonds"


Elite trapping


"Im going to flat because I don't have a 3bet range vs chip leader here"


Dat river sizing and fold.


More trapping


Lets play kK multi way because its KK!!. Typical fish trapping.


There are lots of other classics like XR bluffing the chip leader off a 10bb stack or folding KQs off 5bb in bb vs bu in a turbo, but you get the idea. This dude is literally one of the worst poker players I have ever seen and he's a coach.
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Old 06-19-2021, 01:59 AM   #2
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Re: So Upswing hire Fish coaches now?

i thought this was a troll post but quality HH grabs. 8/10, would not buy this dude’s course
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Old 06-19-2021, 02:08 AM   #3
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Re: So Upswing hire Fish coaches now?

Hiring fish coaches, you say?

I wonder how much they pay…
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Old 06-19-2021, 02:40 AM   #4
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Re: So Upswing hire Fish coaches now?

Jesus. What a brutal take down. Some John Wick level murder.
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Old 06-19-2021, 02:42 AM   #5
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Re: So Upswing hire Fish coaches now?

Gold. What a clown.
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Old 06-19-2021, 03:25 AM   #6
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Re: So Upswing hire Fish coaches now?

Wow this is hard to watch
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Old 06-19-2021, 03:33 AM   #7
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Re: So Upswing hire Fish coaches now?

lol this is unfortunate. unless he's lied about results or something, though, this is on RIO. be nice.
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Old 06-19-2021, 03:55 AM   #8
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Re: So Upswing hire Fish coaches now?

Op you have three choices, challenge Pav to hu4rollz, challenge him to an MMA fight or shut the **** up

Isn't that how poker works now
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Old 06-19-2021, 04:25 AM   #9
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Re: So Upswing hire Fish coaches now?

Kind of sad that someone spends that much energy proving some random streamer shouldn't be a coach. For (atleast) two years.
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Old 06-19-2021, 04:46 AM   #10
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Re: So Upswing hire Fish coaches now?

in donkaments this seem to happen a lot, Ive seen some terrible players coaching for a lot of money

RIO also has some awful players doing vids

upswing doesnt give a **** if the guy is a good player, as far as I can tell this guy is a streamer with lots of followers and for upswing, selling **** is all that matters even if it's bad quality and it's been like this since the beginning
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Old 06-19-2021, 05:03 AM   #11
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Re: So Upswing hire Fish coaches now?

When you put yourself out there by streaming over 40+ hours a week for several years there’s bound to be a few misplayed hands. Although some of your ‘gotchas’ don’t seem that bad to me. For instance the ‘Elite Trapping’ screen grab looks like he opened KK and got two callers, not sure what you’re talking about tbh.

Kinda lame for you to create a new account to post this, why not use your normal account? You clearly have some axe to grind with the guy.
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Old 06-19-2021, 05:19 AM   #12
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Re: So Upswing hire Fish coaches now?

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Kind of sad that someone spends that much energy proving some random streamer shouldn't be a coach. For (atleast) two years.
Why is exposing frauds sad? Most reasonable people would think defending them would be sad.

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Op you have three choices, challenge Pav to hu4rollz, challenge him to an MMA fight or shut the **** up
MMA gladly.

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When you put yourself out there by streaming over 40+ hours a week for several years there’s bound to be a few misplayed hands. Although some of your ‘gotchas’ don’t seem that bad to me. For instance the ‘Elite Trapping’ screen grab looks like he opened KK and got two callers, not sure what you’re talking about tbh.
That KK hand I thought he flatted in sb. He often doesn't 3bet KK and AA though typical trappy live reg fish mentality. There are misplayed hands, and then there are hands so misplayed they expose a totally clueless fish view of poker which these hands do.

That first hand clearly proves he has no idea about big blinds and stack sizes, which is why he constantly flicks back and forth between bb's and chips because fish like to see their stacks in chips. Folding there is not even a thing for a 2005 player, he should be jamming almost any 2 there.

That AQdd hand, he sat there on turn saying maybe he should have raised flop because he can't call a turn jam, as if he started playing poker last week. Let alone not understanding he had pot odds to call directly even vs KK. I could find just as many awful hands in any stream he does daily. This is normal poker for him not rare. People pay hard earned money for coaching so imo its sort of a problem. Clearly not for some people. He does have a cult following so no surprise.
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Old 06-19-2021, 05:33 AM   #13
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Re: So Upswing hire Fish coaches now?

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Why is exposing frauds sad? Most reasonable people would think defending them would be sad.
Just saying it's been two years. Atleast.

E and if you play mtts shouldn't you be happy he is coaching for one of the bigger schools? More bad players is good right?
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Old 06-19-2021, 05:49 AM   #14
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Re: So Upswing hire Fish coaches now?

No idea why you keep saying two years. You must have me confused with all the other people who think he's a fish also. I'm sure he appreciates your twitch sub though. Yes I am sort of happy he is helping keep mtt's lol soft but he still needs to be exposed.


New module coming out, how to play the bubble like a crusher by playing mega tight and folding premiums on 9bb, while rambling about other players making mistakes.



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Old 06-19-2021, 06:27 AM   #15
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Re: So Upswing hire Fish coaches now?

4 way limped pot "I call because I don't think he jams a King"




"I guess he does"
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Old 06-19-2021, 06:30 AM   #16
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Re: So Upswing hire Fish coaches now?

While some hands looks bad and I wouldn't pay any money for coaching from this guy, most of the hands posted are pretty small mistakes, the first hand with 55 is even a clear cut fold with how icm works.
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Old 06-19-2021, 06:49 AM   #17
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Re: So Upswing hire Fish coaches now?

Surprised if 55 is a clear fold, I guess maybe if you want to get Hu with a 2bb stack.
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Old 06-19-2021, 06:53 AM   #18
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Re: So Upswing hire Fish coaches now?

Maybe send them an email if you don’t like one of their coaches.
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