been a while since i read such nonsense lol

It's a real shame this is happening. I guess people like paying double the rake, pre flop rake and a PVI system that essentially double rakes you?

Everyone talks about rakeback, but with the PVI you still probably pay double the effective rake of Pokerstars. They advertise 60% rakeback, but lets say you rake $2000 you will never see $1200. They will likely lower your PVI and say your "actual rake" is $1000. And then give you 60% of $1000. Essentially false advertising.

I also can't believe their pokercraft is allowed by the gaming commission. How can they allow not showing rake paid? Imagine a recreational player looking at pokercraft and it shows they are up money. They might think they are a winning player and gamble more when in reality they are losing. Or if they see they are winning and look at their balance and notice they are down they might think the site is scamming them and leave them with a bad opinion of online poker.

It's funny because they apparently like to ban winning players when a few select people have special rakeback deals which allow them to play on the site profitably. It's like an online home game where only people who are in the club are allowed.

It's a shame because there are some things gg is doing well. But they are robbing the poker community.

can we all mass report gg pokercraft to gaming comissions already? how is this nonsense still alowed

Well everything he said was right so there is that.

huge gap between offering your highest volume players 55% rakeback or 2% rakeback

I agree with those who say GG does things well. Obv the traffic speaks 4 itself. They r really good fooling the average joe.

-the vip system is a scam
-they confiscate your money by making up bs reasoning
-allow players from banned countries (throuhg affil/using vpn)

Don't get me wrong i also do not like PS. They are making stupid/greedy decisions.

LoL

On a smaller scale, Winamax the french leader (regulated market with France and Spain) manage to beat pokerstars.fr in trafic 9 years ago.

Haha nice, although that's not an argument you want to use: the notion of lemmings following a leader off a cliff is a myth (oddly one created by Disney, of all places).

Maybe more like the children of Hamelin following the Pied Piper.

I knew when the great Dan Bilzerian was hired by GG that would put them over the top. Take that Vanessa Kade!

The reason GG is the biggest network now is that they don't follow all these bullshit regulations to a T like Stars and Party do. That's all there is to it. Yes, they did a lot of things pretty well and yes, some other practices are questionable. But all in all, if people just looked for a good RB system, Party would be the biggest site, they are not. If they wanted to the site with the most integrity, Stars would still be popular. They are not.

GG and other global sites/clubs are the future, whether you like it or not.

Crypto does the rest.

PokerStars #1, ACR/WPN #2....all other online poker sites are ****. Tell a friend.

So I am a rec/fish that moved from Stars to GG a couple months ago. I probably ave around 3k hands of plo10 a day. It really means not a whole lot to me if I win or lose since its not life changing money I am dealing with or am I delusional to think I will ever play professionally or study the game to any level where you will be considered good.

But I think there are definitely some misconceptions as to how clueless the recs are. While I will not calculate exactly how much rake I am paying I can without question see that I am receiving better rewards from GG. My last fish buffet reward cleared in maybe 10 days for 40 bucks and I get daily reward of 8-22 depending on how much I played the day prior but I would say I usually end up with 10-15. You also get the bad beat freerolls and I have gotten back 22-24 bucks maybe 5-6 times this month. Regardless of what the rake is this is without a doubt better than the one dollar chests I get from stars that clears every 2 weeks. I am not sure how much rake I have been paying on either site but the difference in rewards is so dramatic I dont see where an argument can be made that stars is better.

Even if you actually got 50% rakeback you are still paying a higher effective rake on gg... also pre flop rake lol

This is the post closer to the main reasons. They can facilitate deposits without much regulations, recs from gray markets, people can easily play behind vpn (or with some agent), etc.

Also after implementation of Aurora by stars, GG has the best software. Software is king.

Problem with party is they offer adittional deals to some stables (so games become infested with regs), reportedly disappear CO, always changing structures and lobbys of games, software behind GG and stars.

Stars... even terrible sites in closed markets are gaining share. Suicidal management for poker, they should be gaining profit in other games to compensate I'm guessing.

yes 20% more rake and he gets 50% rb while on stars 5-10% can u do the math? since he definetly is doing it better than u

There's alot of butthurt in this thread.

couple of points in favor of GG.

1. GG gives no-strings attached free money to micro players. stars never did that. they had million dollar freeroll tourneys, but they tried to make everyone happy, so ended up with 10k uptop, never had a great feeling playing those million dollar freerolls, whereas receiving $0.25-$1 feels good. not sure any other site is giving free money. even if they have freerolls they try to get maximum (advertising) mileage out of it, which more other than not ends up ruining the experience of freerolls.

2. In Mtts there's a feature which shows how long a tourney will last, from site's perspective it's better to not give this option to the players, as it will only lose money for the site. if 100 players see how long a tourney will last say only 90 or 80 will play, 10 or 20 players will decide not to, which is a loss for the site. so having this feature/giving us this option to decide whether to play or not makes me give GG some extra points. overall it's been a great experience playing mtts there. in stars i had played so many tourneys which ended in late hours, and FT played worse due to it reaching my sleep time. had to play a tourney 15-20 times to realize that this particular tourney shouldn't be in my schedule.

Still makes no sense to me at all that Party is superior on -

Rakeback
Reputation
Torny structure probably too

and yet ppl play on a different site because they think it has better software. i mean to me its literally the least important thing, providing the competitor is sufficient, which Party more than is

It's not just the software the games are more fun for them

Who would think some people actually want to have fun playing poker and get some value for their money

The software is better but also the experience. The tourney structure is a bit faster compared to other sites but that's good for the casual players not only because it adds a bit more variance and chance at them going deep but also because of the time commitment aspect of it. The payout structure is a good one and attractive to most player types. They also roll back the blinds on final tables, have a chess clock at final tables and hands per level which is better than alternatives offered on other networks. They show ICM expected value for the player at final tables.

They reward early entrants with bubble protection. They offer lower than 10% rake on many of their special reg speed tournaments even at lower stakes. They offer a staking option inside the client.

There are more things I could list. Simple things like the way chat is on GGpoker with the emoticons is just fun compared to the competition.

Basically point being they do things that are attractive for all player types. Some of the things I listed above are better for or help the casual players and some of the things they do are good for the more professional type player. Some of the stuff is just great or adds to a better experience for both types.

also, I could add a bunch of stuff about their other game types and promotions, etc, but just to add more on the MTT side of the ball. They are actively pushing to grow their guarantees in comparison to PokerStars and at the expense of paying out overlay in them at times.

Party software is all around terrible. There isn't a single good thing about from graphics to lobby, none. Online poker is a software product, it does matter.

You do you boo! Carry on!

Yes software the only reason to play poker online... Maybe its winning $?
No wonder why majority lose money... But hey keep playing where software is better so that your experience of donating is at least enjoyable