For the first time in 15 years, PokerStars has lost its pole position in terms of cash game traffic.

GGPoker has become the world's number online poker room.

https://pokerfuse.com/news/poker-roo...time-15-years/

Well that's not a surprise. I assume they are leading in mtts allso? When is the Betfair deal going through? Perhaps the new management realise that coffins with 2% rb isn't the way to go. Or making the once best client in the market allmost the worst.

I remember hearing Brynn Kenney passionately talk about how this was going to happen right after he signed with them in the very early stages. I thought he was nuts but looks like the guy was right.

the fact that GG is overtaking pokerstars has very little to do with GG and almost entirely with pokerstars
you cant treat customers this way and expect them to stay loyal

i hope stars will turn things around (2% rb chests arent attractive for anyone and stop forcing inferior software on us, yet they focus on throwables) but i doubt it

Disagree. As pointed out in the article, GGPoker is up 60% in the last year (despite lapping the peak of the pandemic spike), rest of market is down 35%.

It is up 4x in 2 years. Rest of market down about 15%.

GG is the one bucking the trend here.

also disagree, the vast majority of the player base on stars, will almost no doubt think they are treated well. 2+2 regs who ***** about SNE (still!) probably account for less than 2% of their clients.

love or hate GG you have to admire the effort they are putting in to take on stars. competition is good for all players.

you think 98% of regs think they are treated well with 2% rakeback chests, dropping volume, dropping level of customer care and more and more lags and crashes

sure thing!

the recreationalplayer SN must be real then

No, that's not what he said. Rather, 98 percent of the players on Stars are non-regs who don't care about (or don't even notice) the decline of the site in recent years.

POKERSTARS is still the best site by far. I wish PokerStars gave all players 27% rakeback, but they dont. But the site is still #1 by a mile! ! ! !

GG Poker is owned by Chinese psychopaths. They are a bunch of gangsters/criminals. The rake is super high, the rewards program is bait n switch and if you win big, instead of paying you they steal your account balance. Dont play on Gangster Gangster Poker aka GG Poker.

if gg evan considered advertising as much in eu as stars, stars would be dead, theres so much unexploited marrket for gg left in eu while stars is capped already, like just imagine creating an ad with dan bilzerian advertising that, the amount players that would join evan out of curiosity lol

Just out of curiosity how do you know this?

is volume is declining so rapidly and 98% of that volume are non-regs, why is volume dropping so much and growing elsewhere. surely 98% of players have a huge impact on the overall volume why are they leaving/moving?

and you understand that the largest part of pokerstars volume is made by regular players, not the occasional playing recs (they are vital to the poker economy but they are a small % of volume played) so when a thread is made that stars volume is declining we are largely talking about regs leaving or playing less
and i said its likely a correlation with things declining that regs care about (rb, software, support)
i know recs might care less about this (although their rb might be fine) but volume is dropping substiantially and to claim they are responsible for 98% of the volume is ludacrous

there is for sure a correlation between amount of regs and casuals playing: just one example many casuals dont join a tbl unless 3-4 regs already start playing, but when only 2 at the tbls i see them not interested. this is just an example there are many other aspects like this.

yes of course regs like to play with fish and like i said therefore they are vital to the poker economy, nobody is arguing that. but claiming that only 2% of players is unhappy with pokerstars lately is nonsense

Well I think nvg is like 2% from stars traffic. So he is right.

yes and there are zero people outside nvg who might be dissatisfied with almost no rakeback and lagging software... jesus christcan you read

just in order to have any criticism on stars you have to register on 2+2 and post in nvg, otherwise you are very satisfied with stars, known fact/

how can they have the most traffic if they ban all the players? checkmate libtards

I don't think that is true.

Only big winners.

If you think the rb is bad in pokerstars, then I have some bad news to tell you about GGPoker....

A lot of players followed Daniel to GG.

Not only have GG shown multiple times they are extremely shady with player accounts, but apparently the rake is very high too.

And yet you have a site as old and trustworthy as Stars, with extremely good rake back - in Party. And yet because people “prefer the software” they continue to play on GG! It’s madness. And party’s software still does and good and reliable job.

Another comment earlier said they “only ban big winners” as if that’s perfectly ok. But don’t we all aspire to be big winners at poker? So one day you may find GG have ‘decided’ to ban you.. for no other reason than the crime that your good at poker AND remember they will also take your entire account

A positive I can take from this is Stars losing customers. I hate Stars and haven’t played there in 2 years so it’s good to see them falling

GGpoker doing so many things different and right compared to the competition. Just open your eyes a bit. If you don't want to play on GGpoker yourself I encourage that person to load up some twitch streams and watch people playing across GGpoker compared to the other networks and ask yourself which network looks like it's giving the player the most enjoyable experience?

GGpoker actually feels like the first network ever to get poker from every sort of player types perspective and pack it all into one punch as best as possible. They clearly have people that have played alot of poker before working in their company but also ones that understand how the poker experience is for various player types. They've blended it into what is GGpoker and I think they are doing a great job.

I have a picture of lemmings following their leader off a cliff to their demise.

i doubt its less than the 2% im getting at stars?

The thing is, the old method of rakeback just isn't sustainable in today's market. From a business perspective, it makes zero sense to give the biggest rewards to the players that win the most money (generally SNE players). It actually harms the ecosystem.

And that point has been proven by the big businesses that now run the poker sites. Recs have zero chance of winning in today's games and sites know this. all the changes they make are with a view to getting more recs playing, whether it be fun promos, celeb endorsements or gamification through chests etc.

Who would have thought, that years ago, when poker sites were run by winning poker players, that the reward system was geared towards winning poker players.... shocking.

If it wasn't for these drastic changes, all poker sites would be full of regs sitting out, waiting for someone to drop a chunk. regs just refuse to adapt to game as it evolves and go on about how it used to be great back in the day.