http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...ostcount=54118

how long ago was this?
just seen it on Jason mos twitter

zero context.

Good move by Stars to help eliminate bots...its a bigger issue than most realize.

I agree as long as this is only for longterm winning players I welcome it. I wouldn't have a problem doing these tasks.

yous must be crazy if you think this ok
its clearly an invasion of some ones privacy

What is the back story behind that linked OP? Has a high stakes player been given this request by pokerstars or whats the story?? Confused.

I dont think its that efficient, bot creator knows how to play he can play for an hour and send video

seriously? looking for bots among well known players with 5+ years playing history on Stars/FTP? makes no sense to me.

If those veteran players do comply and are found to be playing within the rules of the site then they should be comped accordingly and have an official apology of some kind.
On the flip side, it will be very interesting indeed to see the results of these security tests when there is a large sample size of them completed.

Was prob going to make an NVG thread on this soon.

Not that it matters, but PS didn't send this to me. I don't have anything to hide personally and there is no doubt I'd "pass" if it was all legitimate. The person this email is to is another high stakes player that is currently going through this. In fact I know of a few players who have now been told to do this. Its all players people know are NOT bots... Imo it is related to their new ToS.

As I have mentioned I think it's a gross invasion of privacy and clearly crosses the line. It's only particularly effective if someone is a legit true bot. I mean, I get why it's tempting to say this is ok but PS already has way too much power as is. Look at the big picture here, it's just going to get worse if we as a community say yeah this is ok they can request a video of you playing in your surroundings anytime they want. It's just a super easy piece of leverage for them to do and justify whatever they want. I feel really uncomfortable keeping 6 figures on stars knowing that at any point in time, whenever they feel like, they can come to me with this bull**** and my account/balance is at the mercy of whatever some PS security person decides.

Also please don't make the assumption that the smartest people at pokerstars are going to be the ones deciding your accounts/$ fate. You could have some reasonably stupid people working there making the decision. I mean amaya is cutting costs in other places why not with quality of staff?

One thing we need clarification on is whether they are going to keep funds if one doesn't comply with their videos.

The player I know asked them and this was their response:

[I"Please note that we are unable to release any of your funds until the investigation on your account is completed. This is a standard procedure for any account under investigation.[/I]

We apologise for any inconvenience this may cause you and thank you for your cooperation."

It should certainly be, and made clear from the get go, that one doesn't have to partake in the video and their funds will be released. Whether PS bans someone is up to them but "gamble with these {xyz} requirements on video, or you lose your balance" is clearly absurdly ****ed.


Whoever is ok with this is also ok with your govt listening in on your phone calls whenever they want right? Cops pulling you over not telling you why and checking things out? Random patodwn searches? Searches of your house?

im not sure the total story i seen it on twitter Jason mo tweeted a link and thats all there is.

would like to know more my self
just seems unethical to put a player through this

TOOCURIOUSSO1

are players complying?

looks like stars looking for any excuse to ban certain high stakes players. probably the most profitable ones.

or freeze their 6 figures rolls and after months pay them back with no interest

how much interest amaya can have just delaying big cashouts?

This all depends on who the emails are sent to. If it's legitimately suspected cheaters, with reasonably strong evidence, then great. If they're firing off lots of them on a whim then it's bad.

Is this one for the poker "ecosystem" too?

For the greater good, yes.

To whoever just changed the title, I don't think that's an appropriate change as this simply isn't just determining if a player is a bot.

From PS:

"We are in the process of reviewing certain accounts to ensure compliance with our rules regarding:

- Advice provided by a software tool
- Advanced reference material
- Advice provided by a coach"

So suggest a better title than wtf

The only way it's not outrageous is if there's enough suspicion of cheating for an account to be closed but not the hard proof that should be required for confiscating funds. Then the offer could be extended to the player in order to still be welcomed to play on the site, with them getting their funds back and account locked otherwise.

You can't use someone's unwillingness to record themselves playing as evidence of them cheating. Well you can, but it's shady af.

I really think stars should have TOTAL access to our computer screen, I dont have anything to hide and dont care if some stars employee watches the porn I jerk to

This would solve all ghosting, bots etc problems

(this is not a troll, I really think this is right)

Jeez a little aggro are you?

"Pokerstars account check - record a session"

I think its an important distinction. This isn't just about hunting bots. People who clearly aren't bots are being told to do this.

they cant detect any of theese if a human with half brain records a video, thats not like they hiddenly recording a random session big brother style. makes 0 sense to me, its more likely messing with high profile players, maybe one of those awesome changes Danny Negano mentioned for 2016.

it`s the wrong attitude. You can give up your privacy, fine, but I do not want to.

This is so wrong from a privacy perspective. I also don t have to hide anything, that still does not mean I want some random employee from a different country to have access to all on my computer.

The result would be to have a computer only for poker or don´t play poker at all.
Imagine what most recreational players would choose if the word gets out AMAYA has access to all data on your computer?