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Old 06-12-2021, 08:30 PM   #1
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Old 06-12-2021, 10:42 PM   #2
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Any police reports been filed or anything like that?
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Old 06-13-2021, 01:03 AM   #3
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I’m sure everyone will get their money soon. Seems like it is being blown out of proportion. All I know is, if I owed someone money, I always pay it back, barring one condition. If someone goes on social media and calls me a scammer, they just lost any chance they had of getting their money back. At that point I would be calling it even and would agree to not sue for slander if they dropped the matter completely. I believe that is what happened with Marc Klang and that group of scumbags running the black jack game. That is probably what will happen here.
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Old 06-13-2021, 01:09 AM   #4
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I’m sure everyone will get their money soon.
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That is probably what will happen here.
So...everyone won't get their money back then?
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Old 06-13-2021, 01:29 AM   #5
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I’m sure everyone will get their money soon. Seems like it is being blown out of proportion. All I know is, if I owed someone money, I always pay it back, barring one condition. If someone goes on social media and calls me a scammer, they just lost any chance they had of getting their money back. At that point I would be calling it even and would agree to not sue for slander if they dropped the matter completely. I believe that is what happened with Marc Klang and that group of scumbags running the black jack game. That is probably what will happen here.
Did you read the tweet at all? They gave him a chance to speak up about the story himself and to make payback arrangements and chose neither, He ended up choosing to make excuses and blame his family for stealing large sums of money from many people including his best friends, as well as deleting all of his social media.. Slander would imply there were false accusations being made - I'm not involved in this situation but If someone were to scam me or purposefully slow pay me they lose any chance they had of maintaining a reputation and scamming other people in the community I care about and am apart of. **** scumbags.




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Old 06-13-2021, 01:33 AM   #6
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I’m sure everyone will get their money soon. Seems like it is being blown out of proportion. All I know is, if I owed someone money, I always pay it back, barring one condition. If someone goes on social media and calls me a scammer, they just lost any chance they had of getting their money back. At that point I would be calling it even and would agree to not sue for slander if they dropped the matter completely. I believe that is what happened with Marc Klang and that group of scumbags running the black jack game. That is probably what will happen here.
This is a horrible take. No one should do business with you, ever.

Most of the time these serial scam cases become so big because everyone has this fear that the scammer won’t pay them in retaliation for outing them. This is almost certainly a large part of what happened here, as usual. (Some people probably weren’t aware until later).

Most people aren’t making scam outing posts unless they have well exhausted all reasonable measures. At that point, if they are made right they can obviously update to reflect the debt has been honoured.

If you don’t want to be outed for scamming, don’t scam.

Someone outing you for breaking your agreements (or lying to begin with!!!) obviously doesn’t give you the right to not pay your debts. Anyone who says this has warped ethics at best or is just a scammer obv

Fwiw posting something doesn’t have to use language like scammer. Sometimes “courtesy note that xxx owes me YYY and here are the details” will suffice.

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Old 06-13-2021, 01:44 AM   #7
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I’m sure everyone will get their money soon. Seems like it is being blown out of proportion. All I know is, if I owed someone money, I always pay it back, barring one condition. If someone goes on social media and calls me a scammer, they just lost any chance they had of getting their money back. At that point I would be calling it even and would agree to not sue for slander if they dropped the matter completely. I believe that is what happened with Marc Klang and that group of scumbags running the black jack game. That is probably what will happen here.

no officer, i didn't rob him. i was just taking a look at his wallet. but then when he screamed "theif!" so i kept it. even stevens.
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Old 06-13-2021, 01:55 AM   #8
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Looks like original tweet was deleted…��
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Old 06-13-2021, 02:21 AM   #9
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This was the tweet; Removed name just in case that's the etiquette here but there's already discussion about this on twitter and here
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Old 06-13-2021, 02:31 AM   #10
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This is a horrible take. No one should do business with you, ever.

Most of the time these serial scam cases become so big because everyone has this fear that the scammer won’t pay them in retaliation for outing them. This is almost certainly a large part of what happened here, as usual. (Some people probably weren’t aware until later).

Most people aren’t making scam outing posts unless they have well exhausted all reasonable measures. At that point, if they are made right they can obviously update to reflect the debt has been honoured.

If you don’t want to be outed for scamming, don’t scam.

Someone outing you for breaking your agreements (or lying to begin with!!!) obviously doesn’t give you the right to not pay your debts. Anyone who says this has warped ethics at best or is just a scammer obv

Fwiw posting something doesn’t have to use language like scammer. Sometimes “courtesy note that xxx owes me YYY and here are the details” will suffice.
Shouldn't have called me a scammer then. With covid and all business being shut down and people being unemployed or quarantined, they should have given the guy an extension of several years, minimum. If you owe money and don't want to pay, just drag it out a few months until they call you a scammer and then you are clear as far as I see it. A mean twitter post is about the worst a poker player will ever go as far as recourse for millions of dollars.
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Old 06-13-2021, 02:59 AM   #11
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Some headloss here Snowie
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Old 06-13-2021, 03:08 AM   #12
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Most of the time these serial scam cases become so big because everyone has this fear that the scammer won’t pay them in retaliation for outing them.

If you don’t want to be outed for scamming, don’t scam.
You know at 1 time I was shocked when I read a scam thread here or elsewhere but at this point I and many others are just numb to it all. For every person outed somewhere there are dozens and dozens and dozens of others in this community scamming for a lot more. And a decent amount are well known players that still get compliments on media sites and nice things said about them on tv during final tables. It's a joke. Eli wins an event a few days ago and is called a legend in some article I read online about it. Yeah a legendary scammer but it's obvious that aside from a few people on a site like this, the vast majority don't give a ****. Eli still welcomed for tv events and big cash games with all the top pros. Not a pariah at all. And the list goes on and on. But some pathetic dude like Borovetz feeling the need to beg at an airport for a C note gets crucified and treated like he is Bernie Madoff jr.

That's why I don't even blink an eye anymore reading these scam threads and honestly I don't think any of these scammers cares either. They're outed and they'll have a big name friend support them and in a few weeks it's all forgotten or forgiven. Unless of course you hit up those airport travelers for a quick $50. Then you should get hanged. Or the guy here at foxwoods that owes like 30 people $20 and recently got banned permanently. But not the dude playing our 5-10 NL game who owes a few people over $15,000. He still plays and gets treated like a VIP by the casino. Again at this point its all a ****ing joke.
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Old 06-13-2021, 05:49 AM   #13
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Shouldn't have called me a scammer then. With covid and all business being shut down and people being unemployed or quarantined, they should have given the guy an extension of several years, minimum. If you owe money and don't want to pay, just drag it out a few months until they call you a scammer and then you are clear as far as I see it. A mean twitter post is about the worst a poker player will ever go as far as recourse for millions of dollars.
Don't bother applying for Marketplace Approval here. I'm not sure we should even allow you in the P2P transfer threads.
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Old 06-13-2021, 05:53 AM   #14
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Don't bother applying for Marketplace Approval here. I'm not sure we should even allow you in the P2P transfer threads.
Agreed.
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Old 06-13-2021, 10:04 AM   #15
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Old 06-13-2021, 11:34 PM   #16
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I know him and know a people he owes money to. People aren't gonna get there money back, he most likely going to sell what assets he can and skip town.
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Old 06-14-2021, 06:28 AM   #17
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Iím sure everyone will get their money soon. Seems like it is being blown out of proportion. All I know is, if I owed someone money, I always pay it back, barring one condition. If someone goes on social media and calls me a scammer, they just lost any chance they had of getting their money back. At that point I would be calling it even and would agree to not sue for slander if they dropped the matter completely. I believe that is what happened with Marc Klang and that group of scumbags running the black jack game. That is probably what will happen here.
If someone posts the truth about you(that you are a scammer), then you donít have to pay your debt to them?
Oh boy.
This has got to be a millennial/GenX posting. Anyone older with this attitude is likely not with us any longer. Hahaha
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Old 06-14-2021, 08:03 AM   #18
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Pretty brutal news, I remember he used to be active in the MP here bought some of my packages many years ago

Always sucks to hear about a major scam.

Hopefully the people owed get paid but when the sums get this big it gets tough

Also that snowie guy ITT has shown he's a danger to the poker community in this thread and needs to 100% never have marketplace approval and for that matter PM approval or anything else.

There's a difference between having a contrary opinion and then just outright saying if someone outs someone as a scammer they shouldn't get paid; red flags galore
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Old 06-14-2021, 08:22 AM   #19
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The scariest part of this thread is that the silent majority might actually agree w snowie..

In 20 years of poker ive come across a lot of people that have this attitude. It might even be a form of gaslighting.

The lendee twists the story and plays the victim all while obfuscating and slow paying / not paying the lendor.

If you “harm” the lendee by calling them out they now have the excuse desired to not pay.
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Old 06-14-2021, 09:23 AM   #20
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I've called out scammers each time I've gotten scammed real quickly. I've always given pretty much zero ****s. I also get repaid virtually never in the few spots I've been in. But I don't think keeping quiet would have changed things either. I'm usually more just hoping others don't fall victim.
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The scariest part of this thread is that the silent majority might actually agree w snowie..

In 20 years of poker ive come across a lot of people that have this attitude. It might even be a form of gaslighting.

The lendee twists the story and plays the victim all while obfuscating and slow paying / not paying the lendor.

If you ďharmĒ the lendee by calling them out they now have the excuse desired to not pay.
Really hope you're wrong!
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I've called out scammers each time I've gotten scammed real quickly. I've always given pretty much zero ****s. I also get repaid virtually never in the few spots I've been in. But I don't think keeping quiet would have changed things either. I'm usually more just hoping others don't fall victim.
^this is basically always true and why the public shaming angle is usually a last resort that just comes from eventually accepting the situation for what it is

scammers gonna scam

lol 'silent majorities', gtfo here
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Old 06-14-2021, 09:53 AM   #23
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Imo it's a badge of honor it seems to be outed as a scammer now. More outrage it seems by a few on here than the general poker community as a whole. Again you just get numb to it mainly because there are few if any repercussions. See Eli. Chino. Maurice Hawkins. John Racener. They all still were put on tv and talked up like they were rock stars. Once I saw that I realized nobody cares or will do anything about it. Still think Michael Mizrachi should be blackballed. Chino used his name for years, cheated so many players out of real money and Mizrachi still was his BFF and at the same time took no responsibility for him. But he's too cool for any blowback. What a farce.
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Old 06-14-2021, 10:51 AM   #24
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Alright I may as well say it was a joke post in case that wasn't clear as it would have been pretty bizarre for someone to admit that. I don't need to make any transactions with poker players so I am not worried about being banned from the transfer thread. I did make a $1k bet with housenuts on bitcoin back in January and we didn't exchange any personal details, just screen names known. I tried to buy out for $500 and offered to e-transfer him in PM. He asked me to just donate $100 to a charity which I did send proof of. I wouldn't have cared about losing a screen name if I wanted to screw him on that bet, but I would have felt bad enough for the guy that I was planning to pay no matter what.

I am an ex heroin addict of 7 years who never stole or went to jail during my $200 a day habit, after a few years clean I had paid off my 5 figures of cash loans I had taken from family members. I did have to settle some CC and overdraft debts. When I lost 30k on blackjack as posted in my LVL thread from 8 years ago (fintum and jesuschristsuper screen names), when Venetian gave me a $500 steak I called in a $50 tip 2 weeks later once I got home. I don't screw small people. I don't feel bad about my bank debts although they did get most of their money.

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Old 06-14-2021, 11:12 AM   #25
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Alright I may as well say it was a joke post in case that wasn't clear
Oh so now it was a joke post after you got crucified here? Of course.
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