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The poker ecology loses a needlessly big amount of money to affiliates The poker ecology loses a needlessly big amount of money to affiliates

05-14-2021 , 07:22 AM
i think tables with min vpips would solve so much

like everyone who sits down has an automatic 5bb amount escrowed and if they don't hit a vpip benchmark after x amount of hands the escrow gets prorated and given to all the people who did play the required amount of hands

obviously would need a lot of nuance in order to be both fair and unexploitable but i think if people were forced to play 25% or more of hands it'd really open things up

or just make antes standard
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05-14-2021 , 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by _jimbo_
Why not just make it fair? I'm fairly sure that's what most people signing up would want/expect.
Two reasons you might not want to

1. In a completely open poker environment, weaker players get absolutely murdered. This makes them leave more quickly, and spend less. This is bad.

2. When 1 happens, it's harder for the house to make money. If you don't like the idea of the house making money, let's just define that as "it's harder for the house to cover its costs".

Last edited by David Lyons; 05-14-2021 at 07:33 AM.
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05-14-2021 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by David Lyons
Two reasons you might not want to

1. In a completely open poker environment, weaker players get absolutely murdered. This makes them leave more quickly, and spend less. This is bad.

2. When 1 happens, it's harder for the house to make money. If you don't like the idea of the house making money, let's just define that as "it's harder for the house to cover its costs".
The site can manipulate other variables like rake/table cap, marketing etc. where the integrity of the game itself is not sacrificed.

Every poker player starts off as a rec. A very small percentage of them go on to make money consistently. To me it seems dishonest to offer a platform to new players and then pull the rug out from under them when they start having a more positive experience.

Last edited by _jimbo_; 05-14-2021 at 07:58 AM.
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05-14-2021 , 10:58 AM
Sounds like a lot of you want to make it so that the only people making any money are the poker sites
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05-16-2021 , 10:06 PM
The optimal play for sites is to primarily enforce rules against highly profitably ones, make examples of them for PR and then letting the rest fly under the radar.

The moral justification is super easy too. Security resources are finite, so why invest resources to ones that are small losers or break even? Just a happy coincidence that those ones happen to be the most beneficial for the sites.
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05-18-2021 , 10:01 PM
A recent series of posts was deleted as they were deemed an off-topic derail to this thread.
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05-19-2021 , 08:14 PM
If you could market your stuff, you wouldn't need marketers who take their cut to bring you customers.

Reminds me of an engineering firm that I worked for, who REFUSED to spend a single dime on sales. They had a super lucrative niche that was basically impossible to fail at (they were the only company capable and willing to take on certain sorts of weird projects that were uncommon... but worth a ****ton when they came up)

"We don't need marketing" worked, until it didn't. Suddenly, the phone went a little too long without ringing and they realized they had to put themselves out there. How hard could it be? So a bunch of guys with Aspergers manned the phones for a couple weeks and proceeded to make phone calls to potential clients, who they promptly turned off or outright alienated, due to their inability to market themselves in a way that would inspire confidence.

One talented sales guy came in and in literally 8 hours, had glowing hot leads on seven figures worth of potential work... IN ONE WORK DAY.

So, yeah. You sure don't need affiliates. Don't use them. Market yourself and prove everyone wrong.
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05-19-2021 , 08:17 PM
Like I said my post got deleted, poker pros teachin sites how to run a business Goodluck
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05-22-2021 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by rickroll
look at it this way, gg poker is taking over right now despite having the highest rake in the land

it's because they do better marketing than other places, pure and simple

affiliates are risk free marketing and that's why it's always going to exist
It isn't that hard when Pokerstars doesn't do anything to compete.
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