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Guys,

I am here to clarify a few things for you:

1. I am not related to the excellent Brenes brothers. In Costa Rica, Brenes is a relatively common last name.
2. I am a real person, hired by Pitbull Gaming over a year ago to look after the network they were building and along the line I started to taking care of other tasks to eventually look after the forums with the idea of providing an additional support venue.
3. The HH policy is what I know; I follow the policies and terms that the company has set. I am not making new policies out of thin air. We have never sent HHs like the ones requested and has always been the same policy (at least since I joined the company).
4. I am not attempting to be deceitful with you guys or anyone, I was actually trying to be a mediator and resolve the conflict.
5. As of today I am not posting anymore and you will have to deal ONLY with Customer Support if you want to keep asking for HHs or ask for payouts or whatever you can think of.

Good bye

Dave Brenes
Network Manager
Pitbull Gaming
Pitbull Poker
Pitbull Partners

lawl ur an epic fail. get the hand historys and save ur ****ty site? oh wait itll just crush it even more

07-26-2009 , 07:00 PM

#77

White Owl 87

journeyman

Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 284

so...

might as well spread the word to every forum

also, how can we get this or the other thread to the top of a google search for pitbullpoker

07-26-2009 , 07:17 PM

#78

LadyHoldem

enthusiast

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 62

it's 2+2, it has power like that, it'll just happen.

07-26-2009 , 07:21 PM

#79

cause'n'effect

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 266

The pages they are a changin'. Somebody's sure uploading hard for a Sunday night.

07-26-2009 , 07:21 PM

#80

spike420211

banned

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 9,509

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbdave

Humberto,
lo siento if you're reading this thread. No harm was meant.
I'm sure you can see what kind of slimeballs we're dealing with.

=========================================

Dave,

I'm gonna be honest with you.
Your site's user interface, from my personal experience, is such a trainwreck that your company needs to have a helluva lot more transparency regarding these allegations that what is your current policy. If you're not setting the policy, you might want to congratulate your management on what an excellent job they are doing covering their ass.

Your arrogance is most appreciated.
We at 2+2 live 4 this stuff.

$pike

07-26-2009 , 07:29 PM

#81

wiper

still catching up

Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 42,897

Quote:

Originally Posted by White Owl 87

also, how can we get this or the other thread to the top of a google search for pitbullpoker

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07-26-2009 , 07:31 PM

#82

cause'n'effect

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 266

Bizarre - the tag line at the foot of the homepage keeps changing. Somebody's earning overtime at the Pitbull office. Dave?

07-26-2009 , 07:35 PM

#83

R3AG4N

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 407

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiper

lol

07-26-2009 , 07:39 PM

#84

LadyHoldem

enthusiast

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 62

Chatting up some folks today.. a few things came up that might/might not be interesting.

Sites Sharing Network

5Dimes.com (Flash)
CCTVPoker.com
HoldEmAcesPoker.com
OnlinePoker66.com
PitbullPoker.com
PlayerWins.com
From: http://www.pokerscout.com/SiteDetail...ll&ab=13932703

Pitbull also runs a casino.. amigotech software there.

Last edited by LadyHoldem; 07-26-2009 at 07:48 PM.

07-26-2009 , 07:59 PM

#85

cause'n'effect

journeyman

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 266

Figured my changing pages out - they've updated all their pages apart from the main one. Go to www.pitbullpoker.com and they are based in the UK, but go to the homepage from within the site and the they are based in Cyprus.

07-26-2009 , 08:16 PM

#86

spadebidder

Actually Shows Proof

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,905

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbdave

5. As of today I am not posting anymore and you will have to deal ONLY with Customer Support if you want to keep asking for HHs or ask for payouts or whatever you can think of.

Good bye

Dave Brenes

Baghdad Bob never gave up. Pitbull Dave is a wimp in comparison.

07-26-2009 , 08:17 PM

#87

LadyHoldem

enthusiast

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 62

Just a question here..

If the site is hosted in the UK, no matter where the owner is 'hiding out' the gambling's being done in the UK right?

So if http://dragonara.net/ is their host.. ?

07-26-2009 , 08:34 PM

#88

spadebidder

Actually Shows Proof

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,905

The UK server pitbullgaming.com where they sub-license the software, appears to be taken down today. Their own site pitbullpoker.com is supposedly hosted in Panama, but the web site part seems to trace to New York city. Not sure about the software itself and I'm not about to install it to find out. If someone has an IP from their software connection I can trace it.

07-26-2009 , 08:37 PM

#89

R3AG4N

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 407

Just had a interesting chat with Derek from live customer support, I LOL'D

Quote:

Please wait while we find an agent to assist you...
You are currently at position number 1 in the queue.
All agents are currently busy. Please stand by.
You have been connected to Derek ..
Derek .: Hello, rgtrgfver! Welcome to Live Customer Support! How may I be of your assistance?
rgtrgfver: hello, im new just come over from stars what is the best way 2 deposit?
rgtrgfver: hey derek u still there?
Derek .: you can use processors such as MoneyBookers
Derek .: or Neteller, Ukash, PICClub
rgtrgfver: oh thanks, is this site safe, looks good but I read this thread on 2+2
Derek .: Click2Pay
Derek .: I need you first provide us ALL the correct information
Derek .: your account has fake information and is needed the correct and real information.
rgtrgfver: what information would you like?
Derek .: all the info, Name. Last name, address complete, correct phone number
Derek .: ALL
rgtrgfver: can I trust this site with my personal information, i just want to play poker
Derek .: yes dont worry, we have many players that deposit, also we NEVER share any information with any other place
rgtrgfver: ok thats good, whats the traffic like, do you have any prop players for the higher limits?
Derek .: I dont know anything about props, we dont use that.
Derek .: And we have a good traffic
rgtrgfver: my friend said that it was never a problem to get a game, he said that as soon as he sat at a table 3 or 4 player would be there in a couple of minutes but as soon as he left so would they, i guess your regs just dont like to play each other right?
Derek .: the system is good and is better because is under flash
rgtrgfver: oh its flash so it must be safe right?
Derek .: dont need to be worried at all the site is safe.
rgtrgfver: when i cash out can i rub it on my titties or is that against your T&C?
Derek .: im sorry?
rgtrgfver: but when i cash out i need to rub it on my titties, would this be a problem?
Derek .: what you mean with need to rub it on my titties?
rgtrgfver: u know after, the BING BLANG BLAOW?
Derek .: Is there anything else I can assist you with at this time?
rgtrgfver: do you have a UK gaming license, and what country is your company registered in?
Derek .: Im sorry I cant provide any of this information without any authorization.
rgtrgfver: but if i'm going to deposit I need to know your legit, if you run a poker room in the UK you need a gaming license, a simple question, do you have one?
Derek .: I dont handle that information im sorry
rgtrgfver: who are you regulated by?
Derek .: I dont know if you want any of these details please send an email to management@pitbullpoker.com
rgtrgfver: seems a bit shady to me, if you can't even tell me what country you registered is or if you have a gaming license. Going deposit on ultimatebet seems way safer than your shady site, now GTFO!
rgtrgfver: and please delete my account
Derek .: Is there anything else I can assist you with at this time?
rgtrgfver: no, now GTFO!

07-26-2009 , 08:48 PM

#90

LadyHoldem

enthusiast

Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 62

My buddy gave me this .. I don't know what it is persay.. but I imagine someone does :P.

whois 91.205.41.107
% This is the RIPE Database query service.
% The objects are in RPSL format.
%
% The RIPE Database is subject to Terms and Conditions.
% See http://www.ripe.net/db/support/db-terms-conditions.pdf

% Note: This output has been filtered.
% To receive output for a database update, use the "-B" flag.

% Information related to '91.205.40.0 - 91.205.43.255'

inetnum: 91.205.40.0 - 91.205.43.255
netname: DRAGONARA-NET
descr: Dragonara Alliance Ltd
country: GB
org: ORG-DRAG1-RIPE
admin-c: AGAV2-RIPE
tech-c: AGAV2-RIPE
status: ASSIGNED PI
mnt-by: RIPE-NCC-HM-PI-MNT
mnt-by: DRAGONARA-MNT
mnt-lower: RIPE-NCC-HM-PI-MNT
mnt-routes: DRAGONARA-MNT
mnt-domains: DRAGONARA-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered

organisation: ORG-DRAG1-RIPE
org-name: Dragonara Alliance Ltd
org-type: OTHER
address: Geneva Place, Waterfront Drive,
P. O. Box 3469, Road Town, Tortola,
British Virgin Islands
mnt-ref: DRAGONARA-MNT
mnt-by: DRAGONARA-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered

person: Andrey Gavrilog
address: Geneva Place, Waterfront Drive,
P. O. Box 3469, Road Town, Tortola,
British Virgin Islands
mnt-by: DRAGONARA-MNT
abuse-mailbox: abuse@dragonara.net
phone: +41 435.001.009
nic-hdl: AGAV2-RIPE
source: RIPE # Filtered

% Information related to '91.205.40.0/22AS44557'

route: 91.205.40.0/22
descr: Dragonara Alliance
origin: AS44557
mnt-by: DRAGONARA-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered

07-26-2009 , 08:53 PM

#91

SquirrelsUnite

veteran

Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,844

Cliffnotes?

07-26-2009 , 09:39 PM

#92

spadebidder

Actually Shows Proof

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,905

Quote:

Originally Posted by R3AG4N

Just had a interesting chat with Derek from live customer support, I LOL'D

Flash makes it safe.

07-26-2009 , 09:41 PM

#93

chesterboy

adept

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,021

Goodbye Jeremy...Err excuse me I mean Dave.

07-26-2009 , 09:45 PM

#94

spadebidder

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,905

chesterboy - I'm confused about something. If you and some others were regular props with a special rakeback deal, how would you guys not know immediately if they had hired a sweatshop of colluders to jump on every table and squeeze the fish dry? I mean, this site has like 40 active players on average.

07-26-2009 , 09:46 PM

#95

chesterboy

adept

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,021

They weren't colluding. They were seeing our cards. Pots were rarely multiway and they never ever did any squeeze plays these were the most passive games you have ever seen.

07-26-2009 , 09:48 PM

#96

StephenVaughan

newbie

Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 47

Quote:

Originally Posted by SquirrelsUnite

Cliffnotes?

Someone thinks something happened at pitbull poker(?) but it seems they have no evidence to back up their claims.

07-26-2009 , 09:49 PM

#97

spadebidder

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,905

Quote:

Originally Posted by chesterboy

They weren't colluding. They were seeing our cards. Pots were rarely multiway and they never ever did any squeeze plays these were the most passive games you have ever seen.

Well, I was using that term figuratively. So you are saying that the alleged sweatshop and the alleged superusers, are in your opinion, the same?

07-26-2009 , 09:50 PM

#98

chesterboy

adept

Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,021

Yes, a sweatshop of superusers if you can believe that. We are working to confirm the story.

07-26-2009 , 09:54 PM

#99

suzzer99

Save the Cheerleader, Save the World

Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 99,984

That would explain them all playing the same very simple style, not even optimal if you were a superuser who knew how to play.

07-26-2009 , 09:57 PM

#100

spadebidder

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Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 7,905

Quote:

Originally Posted by chesterboy

Yes, a sweatshop of superusers if you can believe that. We are working to confirm the story.

This is gonna be another blackeye for online poker if true, and even though they are a nobody in the business, the media will make a big deal out of it, and then we'll get some more Kentucky/Montana stuff again where some politicians will try to block access.

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