Is there an official petition or what? Post it

guys guys why screen name changes, how about just observing cash tables for real money accounts only ? how about captcha every hour for observing x tabels from 1 ip ? (this might not be solution but its a good start and will be pain in the ass for ptr) how about banning those ips spectating and going thru captcha too much ? nothing was done from stars side which is visible to the end user.

the first solution is too easy to work around ptr cna make real money accounts you know. captchas can be defeated but that sounds like it has some potential.

ptr definately uses thousands of IP adresses, u think its easy to create 5k real money accounts on stars ? how about if the condition was u have to play at least 7 real money hands? u think its hard to detect these accounts whic hwould only spectate ? i say cash observing for real money accounts.

maybe its just me but i dont understand what is observing cash tables for anyway... WHO needs to follow the hand actually going on. not fish. not regs. so WHO the **** ? nothing was done.

given those conditions that would make it pretty hard yeah

Petition them how? OP is ******ed.

someone draft a letter so we can email it to sites

god you moran! just petition them to ban PTR! how hard came be to stop someone from using the internet while playing online!? I dont understand why PS and FTP dont just turn PTR off. I know! we can all play on the internet with no name and after every hand they could shuffle us up on to different tables so know one can follow! or maybe they can sue them! or we can sue them?

I thought FTP and Stars already banned tableratings. It's against the rules to use it I thought. What is this petition supposed to accomplish?

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What is your problem, are you stupid or just slow? Lots of good options already mentioned in this thread.

It isn't actually rocket science to stop observer data mining you know, you could be amazed what the cutting edge modern IT tech can do in 2009. For example, it could make hand histories unavailable for observers. Gee, what an amazing innovation!

Is that really possible?

If yes, then why are FTP/PS saying they have tried to stop the datamining but to no success?




+1 on SN change every week until datamining can be stopped

+1 on screen name changes or as another user pointed out in another thread some anonymity option that wouldn't involve screen names at all.

if u r good it doesn't matter. in a competitive ecosystem, adapt or perish. nowhere to run nowhere to hide.

So you think it's ok for them to pirate the data and sell it. What is your opinion on collusion, do you just adapt?

The thing is there are only so many degens/wealthy recreational players that are willing to keep playing and losing money. The number is even less if you then take the percentage of those from this group who will continue to play when they and their peers know that they are a losing player. If the poker economy is to be sustainable long term, the factors which allowed it to be maintained in a live enviroment must be recreated as closely as possible in the online domain.

Over time the money filters upwards, we all know this. But databases like ptr clearly define the boundaries and the flow of profits. This economy relies on players believing in luck, being result orientated and in many cases being dellusional. PTR takes away any doubts you once may have kept you in the game. Your a break even player? no your not, your 85BI's down and now you, your friends and your milkman knows it. There is no way to hide your results, and this will be too much for many people. They will quit from fear of embarrisment or decide to study on their game (no doubt the majority taking the former option). Over time the % of players that know about PTR can only rise.

Then the fishes go broke and move onto something new, something fun where they don't need to study to not get crushed. The break even regs become the fish, and the economy collapses as a mass exodus ensues from sites leaving those with no choice but to grind with a marginal edge agenst the few recreational players left. Poker is about incomplete information, but if you have enough data, enough trials of ranges and betting patters you can effectively turn someones hand face up. It can't stay like this, something has to give.

That's the point, there IS somewhere to run and somewhere to hide, it's called cashing out and logging off. Other hobbies, other games. In a true ecosystem the prey don't have an option to stand up and leave. Let alone being shown in detail the reason they are withoubt doubt, the prey.

yeah but everyone does still use it, through 2nd comps or whatever.

Petition is to let sites know we want them to do more to stop PTR data mining i.e

no hand historys

anon screen names/regular screen name change

if enough people want this it will happen

if i go to a live tourney, and write down every single hand i see at one table... is that illegal?

I've only looked on PTR a couple of times but isn't just the cash game equivalent of sharkscope/OPR?

lol wat. ptr = unfair advantage.

how is it unfair if everyone has access to the same information?

Screen name changes would be a horrible idea. 2+2 is worse for poker than ptr to be honest.

you're ****ing crazy ben, ptr is the worst thing to hit poker since limit holdem

I've basically believed in just about every point that was mentioned in this post for a very long time, I just took it for granted that nothing was going to change with TR going up. Frankly, I would love to see the site go down, it creates ego wars between people who would otherwise be friends if they didn't know each other's winnings/losses, along with the entire theory that it is scaring many people away who may not have realized how bad they may have been prior to quit all together.

I don't see how anyone could argue it's good for the games, when in reality there's almost nothing good that filters down because of it. The only exception to the rule that I would make would be if they became exclusively a site sort of like HighStakesDB where they would only decide to track hands of the top 3 levels offered at all the sites. At least once you're getting to 25/50+ and higher, it's pretty safe to say the majority of them are already professionals by and large and would hardly care if other people knew roughly how they were doing or what lower stakes players thought of them.

Just my 2 cents... I'd be curious to see whether a group or party of people ban together to really push the ideas behind this thread to get some real progress going in the next couple of months.