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Old 11-09-2020, 08:00 AM   #2226
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Re: ****OFFICIAL NVG MODERATION DISCUSSION THREAD****

In any television studio much of the view is blocked by cameras and gear anyway. The live audience is usually watching the line cut on monitors. The reverse seating might be more enjoyable for them.
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Old 11-10-2020, 06:05 AM   #2227
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Old 11-10-2020, 07:47 AM   #2228
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You're not the first one, my joke didn't work out either.
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FWIW, reading that post now I think he was probably talking about Negreanu.
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Old 11-10-2020, 06:34 PM   #2229
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I was wondering about the spam policy. I got a warning recently for posting a link to an analysis on the betting line for the doug polk / dn challenge thread, and i didn't think at the time that would be considered to be spam, but apparently it is. i thought it was strange because i (and many others) post links to similar types of videos all the time.

is it that you're allowed to post links to other peoples videos (when it's relevant to the discussion), but not your own? it seems like a strange precedence considering i basically could have just said "here's a video about the betting line" without mentioning that i did it and it would blend in with pretty much all the other posts with videos imbedded (and i'm guessing some of them are from the authors who chose not to identify themselves).

edit: this isn't something that i've made a habit out of. i've linked to many youtube videos in the past but this was the first and only time i've ever linked to one that i've created, and it was very specific to the discussion.

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Old 11-11-2020, 01:24 AM   #2230
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Re: ****OFFICIAL NVG MODERATION DISCUSSION THREAD****

If you want specific answers about your situation, PMing the mod who gave you the warning would probably be the best place to start if you haven't done so already.

But yes, you've hit on one of the main deciding factors. And if you think about it, it really isn't all that strange. Yes, someone could post spam without saying anything and get away with it, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't enforce the rule. That's probably part of the reason you only got a warning, though - I know that if I saw someone post a link to their own video while pretending it wasn't, I'd be treating that more harshly.

At the same time, I get that it can create something of an unfair situation when you're up front and others aren't. Also, I'm sure people sometimes get away with links to videos on someone else's behalf. Unfortunately, there's no perfect answer. But generally speaking, promoting your own content isn't cool unless you've received prior permission to do so.
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Old 11-11-2020, 10:27 PM   #2231
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Is there a process to get permission to make those kinds of posts? Is there someone in particular i should contact?
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Old 11-11-2020, 10:58 PM   #2232
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Is there a process to get permission to make those kinds of posts? Is there someone in particular i should contact?
If it was for paid advertising, that would be me - but I don't think that would make sense for you. Mason allowed a limited number of people to start threads for their podcasts; I think he's allowed all he had planned to, but you could always check with him.

Other than that, if you have a very non-promotional video that is extremely relevant to a particular topic, you could always PM a mod/mods of the forum in question and see if it would be OK to post a link.
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Old 12-01-2020, 08:27 AM   #2233
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Re: ****OFFICIAL NVG MODERATION DISCUSSION THREAD****

Not that I'm overly invested in my particular post in question, but I feel like deleting entire posts just because the person you quoted said the word Trump is a bit much, especially when nothing else in my post was political or even included anything about Trump. I assume it was madlex's decision based on his latest post in the Doug-DNeg's thread.
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Old 12-01-2020, 12:21 PM   #2234
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If you like to, I can send you your deleted post via PM and you can repost it in a way that doesn’t violate the NVG rules.

Just based on the amount of posts there’s no way to read every single one carefully and then decide which parts should be edited out. I’d probably still be working on that right now.

And honestly, you and the majority of other posters in that thread have been around long enough to know better than to quote and/or respond to a post that very obviously violated the rules.
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Old 12-01-2020, 09:14 PM   #2235
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I understand your position and I appreciate your response. Personally I'd look at the content of each post and edit out what needs to be, especially when there was only a handful of posts that needed to be deleted. I also understand not wanting to do all of that work every single time, especially in a high traffic forum like NVG.

Like I mentioned, I'm not overly invested in the post so I will let it go.

The sad thing is I had originally edited the quote down to a single (acceptable, I assume) sentence to respond to, and then somehow lost the post when I had to log back in after hitting submit. For some reason I decided to keep the entire quote on my second attempt.
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Old 02-24-2021, 11:28 AM   #2236
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Hi guys, I wanted to talk about the vaccines and I know this is a hot topic, but an important (I think) one.

The thread was closed and I understand why. Nevertheless poster shuffle is quite knowledgeable about this topic and his one post about the effestivness cought my attention. He is spot on when he says the oxford vaccine is the best, safest and most trust worthy imo.
And I came to that conclusion only after I read his post, I did some researching on my own.

First off the things that made me stand stronger on this stance. It gave me much reassurance.

1- the Oxford University was involved making this vaccine. I trust exactly 3 universities without looking. That is Harvard, Stanford and Oxford. In that order or not. Maybe Yale too, but that's it. I know they are not messing up and have a long reputation. I can't say that of Pfizer for instance.

2- my sister is a radiologist and she tells us the same thing. She has trust in the oxford vaccine. The others are too new and 95% effectiveness has never been done, ever.
Now I never told her what I think of the vaccines. She came to that independently or through her doctor friends.

So you see I feel quite confident in telling you this.
First because shuffle came to this conclusion, then me, then my sister. I feel obligated to share this but don't know where, in what thread or section. Should a new thread be made here or in other other topics?

Thanks!

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Old 02-24-2021, 11:32 AM   #2237
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This is part of mod Bobo Fett and shuffles conversations in the politics section. After this answer I think Bobo thanked shuffle for his reply. I also was deeply impressed by this:


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Sorry if I've missed it, but do you have any specific knowledge/training/education in the field?

I studied chemistry and dropped out my last semester at university. Worked on a few research projects and had to suffer through boring as **** quantitative analysis classes. All of that is only relevant so far as my skepticism comes from a scientific background, not anti-vax witchcraft or wild conspiracy theories.

Data. Process. People.

If you can show me data, process, and competent, trustworthy people behind the science, then I don't need to know much about virology or epidemiology, I can trust their work.


Data

The first thing you want to see is the data. Typically, researchers will publish their data in scientific journals for peer review.

Oxford-AstraZeneca -- they have published their data

Pfizer-BioNTech -- press releases only (red flag)

Moderna -- press releases only (red flag)


So Oxford-Astrazeneca have published their data: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...466-1/fulltext

Pfizer and Moderna have withheld their data and self-reported whatever they want.


Process

Data can be fabricated, so you want to check the process and make sure the researchers are doing everything by the book. That means everything from techniques all the way up to regulatory clearance. Process can weed out incompetence, mistakes, bad science, even fraud. With a few exceptions I can't comment on the actual science, that's for those people who are highly trained in that field of expertise.

However, one of those exceptions is widely known by many people here-- mRNA vaccines have never worked. Which type of vaccine did each company select?

Oxford-AstraZeneca -- traditional vaccine, known to work

Pfizer-BioNTech -- mRNA vaccine (not a red flag, but reason to be skeptical)

Moderna -- mRNA vaccine (not a red flag, but reason to be skeptical)

So once again, Oxford-AstraZeneca were doing things the "right way", while Pfizer and Moderna chose to pursue unlikely if not totally improbable candidates.


People

Chez doesn't need to see the data or think critically about the process, he just wants to trust the people involved (more on that later). But trusting the people involved is the last thing you want to look at, only if the data and the process look solid. Then you check who was behind the study. If it's a reputable company or university, then you trust their work with the caveat that further studies should be conducted until the scientific community forms consensus. If the study comes from some uni students without much history and their findings don't line up with previous research, naturally they will be treated with more skepticism, even if their data and process looks good.

So what about the people behind the Covid-19 vaccine candidates?

Oxford-AstraZeneca -- seems ok to me

Pfizer-BioNTech -- CEO sold 62% of his shares in the company on the same day as their 90% efficacy press release: https://www.npr.org/2020/11/11/93395...aising-questio

Moderna -- their executives have sold literally all of their shares in the company: https://www.npr.org/2020/09/04/90830...raise-concerns


Oxford-AstraZeneca

[x] Data
[x] Process
[x] People

Oxford-AstraZeneca have done everything by the book. Their vaccine candidate would give me the most confidence. Unfortunately, vaccines are known to take years to develop and they did skip a few steps along the way. Safety concerns have been raised, even short-term, and because of the rushed hurry involved, there's no possible way to study longer-term side effects. AstraZeneca was also widely mocked and derided recently because they gave thousands of trial participants the wrong dose, calling the results they did report into question.

Altogether there's enough reason to doubt this vaccine,
both its risks and its efficacy.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/25/b...ca-oxford.html


Pfizer-BioNTech

[ ] Data
[ ] Process
[ ] People

Pfizer-BioNTech chose a vaccine candidate at the beginning that was highly unlikely to succeed based on past results. While not necessarily a red flag, that decision should cause immediate skepticism. That skepticism could be overcome with good process and good data, however, they unblinded the participants in their trial. The control group (placebo) was given water shots with no side effects. The vaccine group reported significant side effects and self-isolated for ~2 days. The incubation period of the virus is ~5 days. Pfizer has chosen to self-report efficacy at only 7-days via press release, while withholding the rest of the data in their trial. This process calls into question the meaningfulness of the data they did self-report, and, of course, they have chosen to withhold the rest of their data until now.

Additionally, the CEO sold most of his shares in the company, timed to execute on the day of their selective 90% 7-day efficacy press-release.

Pending further review of data which the company has so far withheld, my read is that the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine most likely has little or no efficacy, with unknown side-effects. The U.K. has approved the vaccine based on Pfizer's press-release alone. It's possible that other countries will approve the Pfizer vaccine based only on Pfizer's press release. That seems to be the angle the scummy if not actually lawbreaking CEO is aiming for.

Sell vaccine via selective, overly optimistic press release
--> any country desperate enough to authorize it without verifying the data

Then provide data to everyone else
--> some countries will authorize based on most optimistic interpretation
--> some countries may be more skeptical

Like the Swiss!

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/incompl...cines/46196598

That's why I made the comment about the U.K. being dumb and desperate (Dr. Fauci and EU regulators said the same thing), the U.S. probably going to grab onto the most optimistic interpretation because of the enormous political pressure and the fact that it's second wave still hasn't peaked (population more intransigent than anywhere else on Earth), the EU already starting to hedge like they will wait and see what happens first, and the Swiss openly saying they cannot approve the vaccine right now because Pfizer refuses to provide them with complete data (huge red flag).

Altogether, there's reason to not only doubt, but have serious reservations about this vaccine,
both its risk and its efficacy.


Moderna

[ ] Data
[ ] Process
[ ] People

Like Pfizer, Moderna refuses to publish its data for peer review. They are a company that has been around for ~10 years but never once, not even a single time, ever sold any product. They claim they have succeeded in developing a revolutionary new type of vaccine. They release press-releases, usually shortly after Pfizer releases theirs, always promoting how everything about their vaccine is even better than Pfizer's.

Pfizer -- 90% self-reported 7-day efficacy
Moderna -- 95% self-reported 7-day efficacy

Pfizer
--> vaccine candidate must be stored and shipped in expensive, specialized freezers at very cold temperatures
Moderna
--> unlike all other mRNA vaccines, they claim theirs can be stored and shipped much more cost effectively in normal refrigerators

Additionally, Moderna's executives have sold literally all of their shares in the company.

The only conclusion can be that Moderna is a scam. Either it has no chance of being approved by regulators, but the executives promoted their stock to record high prices and then all cashed out; or possibly they could have gone full Theranos and may actually manage to distribute junk science into the world population based on fraud and fabricated results.

Either way, Moderna is a scam
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Old 02-24-2021, 11:33 AM   #2238
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I wanted to post this originally in the politics moderation thread, but now I think this is important to all of us.
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Old 02-24-2021, 01:30 PM   #2239
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We have threads where people can talk about Covid / vaccines, for example "thoughts about 2021 WSOP" and the old containment thread.

We certainly do not need a non-poker related standalone thread, that topic is discussed ad nauseam in lots of other subforums including politics and OOT.
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I understand this leads to much controversy.
Please delete my 3 posts above.
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Old 02-24-2021, 02:33 PM   #2241
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Has absolutely nothing to do with controversy.

This forum is about poker news, views and gossip. If you find a vaccine that looks like Phil Hellmuth or hear credible news that one of the major poker tours requires for players to be vaccinated, that's stuff that certainly has a place in NVG.
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Old 02-24-2021, 03:18 PM   #2242
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I wonder if we can get a picture of the Phil Hellmuth looking vaccine riding a hot dog?

I suppose we will have to call his vaccine white magic.
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Old 02-24-2021, 08:13 PM   #2243
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Old 02-25-2021, 12:25 PM   #2244
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Old 02-25-2021, 08:16 PM   #2245
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@washoe: shuffle may be knowledgeable but he makes several comments in the above posts that concern me. Make sure you apply his data/process/people mantra to his own posts before accepting his conclusions.
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Old 03-03-2021, 09:50 AM   #2246
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I have honestly no idea what you mean or which part concerns you. Maybe I am too old-school, but i prefer going the safe route. I think he is right in being sceptical with big pharmas.

Pfizer paid 5B in legal fines between 2010 and 2020.
https://violationtracker.goodjobsfir.../parent/pfizer

Can we trust pfizer?https://labourheartlands.com/coronav...ith-a-vaccine/

Here basically pfizer gave 200 children an experimental vaccine in Nigeria, 11 died and they had to pay for it.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...g-compensation
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Old 03-03-2021, 10:28 AM   #2247
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Re: ****OFFICIAL NVG MODERATION DISCUSSION THREAD****

@madlex, you are right that it has nothing to do with news and gossip. So once you read this maybe a mod can delete all my posts here concerning this or move to politics or the more fitting section if you think it's more appropriate there.

I might honestly be a little paranoid. I've read and heard a lot about mess ups with pharmas. But I don't want to scare anyone or mislead anyone. So if you think, like me this is unapropiate here pls delete.
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Old 03-03-2021, 08:25 PM   #2248
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Wow, I just reread what I wrote. Im bitter, cynical and probably an idiot. The russians have a vaccine now (name: Sputnik) thats 91% effective too. So I dont know whats going on. I have to admit my despise for pharmas. I worked for years against them. So please take my advice with a grain of salt if at all.
And apologies to shuffle for not asking him to quote him without consent.
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Anybody that joins this place. Mandatory listen. 328 Thinking Poker with Mason. Amazing! Way over my head
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why do I lose my under title? I worked tirelessly one summer to earn the JellyBean.

And without notice I'm demoted to Poohbah. By my last breath, this will not stand.

Getting on a plane to Thailand as we speak. Gonna open up a can a whoop ass on first Russian I see on the beach.
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