NEWS: Chimps Scientifically Proven to be Better than NVGrs at Poker - Poker News

The chimps settled quickly into the Nash equilibrium, the optimum approach for each player to maximize their number of wins, and adjusted their responses when circumstances changed.

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06-10-2014 , 08:22 PM

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Can someone dumb this part down for me?

"Matchers predicted behavior should not change across the games. Instead, the behavior of the Mismatcher subjects should change, even though their payoffs do not change." As they note, this is highly counterintuitve to humans.

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06-10-2014 , 08:33 PM

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i didnt get it either

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06-10-2014 , 09:49 PM

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the ones who match get the reward so they don't want to do anything different. I don't know what's counter intuitive about that though.

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06-10-2014 , 09:55 PM

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The scientists proposed 3 games. In the three games, the payoffs for the mismatchers did not change. If the pair of chimps picked right-left or left-right in either game, the payoff was the same. However, the payoff for the matcher varied across games. right-right and left-left paid different amounts. Intuitively, one would think that the mismatchers would not change their strategy and the matchers would change their strategy. In fact, Nash equilibrium is the opposite; mismatchers should vary the frequency in which they choose left or right, while matchers should stick to 50/50 proportion of left and right.

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06-11-2014 , 03:00 AM

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This is indicated by finding the NE of the payoff matrices that are shown a little deeper in the article.

Full article is here

Good stuff....

Last edited by Bukowskium; 06-11-2014 at 03:05 AM. Reason: Yes, some of us have taken game theory coursework in our studies and can understand much of what is presented here...

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06-11-2014 , 03:21 AM

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NEWSFLASH: Chimpanzees Scientifically Confirmed to be Better at moderating NVGrs than Two Plus Two

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06-11-2014 , 04:48 AM

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How is this news worthy?!? Everyone knows that NVGers are absolutely horrible at poker.

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06-11-2014 , 06:39 AM

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Chimps, playing high stakes for a banana, outperformed humans, playing for small amounts of money.

They should repeat the experiment rewarding the humans with bananas too.

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06-11-2014 , 06:43 AM

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I am at two live cash sessions in a row where I made cool, hard cash. Beat that, monkey.

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06-11-2014 , 07:53 AM

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isn't new at all, so only A-

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06-11-2014 , 01:14 PM

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The chimps would probably be better than NVG'ers at NVG as well

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06-11-2014 , 01:27 PM

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The chimps would probably be better than NVG'ers at NVG as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZAxO-za3KU

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06-11-2014 , 01:40 PM

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Boring, when they eventually write romeo and juliet like mathematics says then tell me

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06-11-2014 , 01:42 PM

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You need to look at a couple million to determine that's it not just due to variance.

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06-11-2014 , 02:32 PM

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I knew it!

Not better than NVGers though. **** NVGens must still rule.

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06-11-2014 , 02:54 PM

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But how will the chimps do against...

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06-11-2014 , 04:12 PM

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Thank you msed and bkowskium. I would have never gotten that from the article.

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06-11-2014 , 06:31 PM

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You need to look at a couple million to determine that's it not just due to variance.

I think you're confused pal. But like, there's so much confusion that it could just be stupidity/ignorance, so I'm not going to waste an explanation on it.

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06-11-2014 , 06:48 PM

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If an infinite number of chimps sat at an infinite number of typewriters an infinite amount of time eventually one of them will type out War and Peace in it's entirety. Unfortunately for the rest of the poker world, they stumbled upon GTO much sooner than that and now crush.

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06-11-2014 , 07:01 PM

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They have always been good at poker. They are very hard to read.

Also, they tend to put their opponents on tilt.

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06-11-2014 , 07:12 PM

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They seem to figured out sharkscope as well

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06-12-2014 , 07:10 AM

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So it's true all you need to take down the next Major Sunday is a chimp and a chair.

An oldie, but I like it.

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06-12-2014 , 08:15 AM

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I think you're confused pal. But like, there's so much confusion that it could just be stupidity/ignorance, so I'm not going to waste an explanation on it.

Sorry but my reply was sarcasm. I think I will come up with a sarcasm font and make mirrons!

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06-12-2014 , 08:18 AM

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So it's true all you need to take down the next Major Sunday is a chimp and a chair.

You should be ashamed of yourself for that one.

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