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07-20-2021 , 05:43 PM
Thank you for the in depth answer.

I’m glad you didn’t think I was trolling.

Good luck with reading the book when you get around to it. I hope you learn something.

And if you don’t I hope your review is fair though honest.
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07-20-2021 , 05:51 PM
Not sure why anyone responds to rep. He is the nut low on 2+2 right now. Guy plays poker (supposedly) and has 14k posts since 2013. Guy is literally a shut in spreading hate at every opportunity.

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07-21-2021 , 04:49 AM
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Not sure why anyone responds to rep. He is the nut low on 2+2 right now. Guy plays poker (supposedly) and has 14k posts since 2013. Guy is literally a shut in spreading hate at every opportunity.
Yeah agree, I'm more than willing to have an open and constructive debate with posters offering constructive and thoughtful criticism like Rahm93. He seems like a strong player and offers a well formulated opinion. I personally disagree with some of his points (I'll elaborate in a separate post), but can clearly see they are intended to find the truth and are made in good faith. I always apprecite that kind of debate.
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07-21-2021 , 05:15 AM
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1. I shared my yearly graph, not HU specific.

2. I want to clarify, I have not taken coaching from Cory, I have not read his book yet, all I can judge from is his video content I have seen (maybe 10 videos). I am also sure he will partly disagree with my opinion on this question.

I played NL for many years, somewhat successfully, by the end playing an average big blind above $10 and playing up to $50/100. I approached the game in a way where I would learn how strategies by memorizing them after seeing simulations. This lead to a lot of generalisations as the game tree for ring games grows very large. After moving onto PLO in 2018, I struggled with this approach and spent a lot of time developing other ways of thinking about the game and building my strategies with different combinations more from first principle instead of relying on solver outputs I have seen previously.

While I am sure Cory disagrees with me at this point, strategy graphs and similar things that I have seen in his content does in my opinion lead to more generalisations since you are very limited to the amount of flops you could do this work for, and kind of lends itself more to memorization and pattern-recognition.

This is of course a lot more effective in HU, especially short stack, where the game trees are a lot smaller and you can memorize lines / ranges with more precision. I don't think there is a coincidence this is Cory's strongest game as it suits his way of learning and teaching well.

3. I only do 1-year long CFP Deals that includes me staking the student. I have very strong (negative) opinions on hourly coaching and the CFP models employed by large stables but that is not for this thread.

After thinking a bit about it I believe from an incentive and ethical standpoint, a video course or a book (I believe these are somewhat equivalent) are superior to both CFP without backing as well as hourly coaching, so you are more likely to get a good product buying a book or a course similar to the Upswing Model, rather than entering into a CFP-deal / hourly-deal where the coach has 0 skin in the game or buying a subscription model coaching service such as RIO or Mastermind.

4. No, I've ran a blog on a Swedish forum for a long time where I share HH analysis and stuff sometimes but I have never sold any content and probably never will, because of what I outlined in 3). I will probably never write a book or create a course either because of piracy reasons. I believe one good student will make me more money over the course of a deal rather than making a course or book. I also enjoy coaching people a lot and I would hate writing a book or recording videos.

5. Maybe 100 deals with 70 different players if I had to ball-park it (some are repeats who come back after a year or so). I've run the coaching business with a very good friend of mine and my first and only poker coach who taught me NL in 2014-2015. He runs the NL-side of the stable and I run the PLO-side as of today. We have only ever lost money on 1 or 2 students iirc which I think is a pretty good track record in the backing business.
Sorry, I wasn't exactly sure which of your recent posts to quote because there were things I wanted to reference in both. I guess I'll start with the famous quote:

"All models are wrong, but some are useful"

In the book I lay out a general framework for thinking about important spots in the game tree. From my experience as a poker and chess teacher, starting out with a simplified model of reality and then burrowing into the exceptions (as I do in the hand character chapter) is a highly effective way to take someone from having little knowledge to a place where they can internalize greater nuance. I've seen this approach succeed numerous times and have successfully applied the models discussed in the HUPLO book to 5c and 6c for students. I think extra nuance, especially without a high level framework actually leads to confusion and the "Illusion of knowledge".

The "Illusion of knowledge" is a big problem in poker (and chess and economics etc). I think all strong poker coaches have had the experience of a student offering a "game theory" justification for their decision and, after a little questioning, realizing the student doesn't understand the concept at all. This is usually because they've gone from level 2 of poker thought to say level 6 without completing the other steps. More than anything else, I believe this is what blocks people from reaching HS.

I personally believe that with the right system, just about anyone could beat the current state of the games at 10-20 HUPLO online (I can't really speak for 6 max) and have seen this happen repeatedly with my personal students. The mistakes the pool is making are still very large and easy to exploit. As I mentioned to Rahm in a PM, based on the preflop stats of the average stars reg at this level, the monker models show that IP is giving up half(!) their winrate preflop alone. The shorter we are, the harder this is to overcome with later street wizardry.

I believe the book offers the right system and that beliefs such as "most people cannot reach high stakes" are just limiting beliefs that hold both the coach and the student back from their full potential. I respect and appreciate Rahm's thoughts though and leave it to the readers to decide who they think is right.
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07-21-2021 , 06:03 AM
You have mentioned multiple times how many mistakes people make / how easy HU PLO is. How come you dont play more / play higher stakes? It seems silly that you comment skill levels and toughness of a pool that you barely played him (5k hands?).
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07-21-2021 , 07:56 AM
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You have mentioned multiple times how many mistakes people make / how easy HU PLO is. How come you dont play more / play higher stakes? It seems silly that you comment skill levels and toughness of a pool that you barely played him (5k hands?).
I was playing full time in 2020 until my visa expired. I came back to the US during corona and couldn't leave. There are not many opportunities to play HUPLO in the US. I just arrived back in Europe in June so that was my first opportunity to play again.

Frankly I don't care that much about poker anymore. I'm focusing on learning a new language and writing a novel and some coaching and that takes up much of my time. I'm playing 10-20 and 15-30 which seem reasonably high to me and I've been cheated, scammed, or have had bad enough bad luck in various non poker situations like taxes and investments in the past 4-5 years that I haven't felt comfortable playing higher.

It's not silly to comment on other player's skill levels. The book is the synthesis of the work I did for Tomson who played 50-100 for years. I saw the mistakes his opponents were making. Additionally, preflop mistakes converge the quickest and when someone's RFI is twice what it should be, that's pretty easy to detect after 200 HU hands with someone.
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07-21-2021 , 11:46 AM
Rep lol or whatever is looking like a big pussy here. If you think his strategy is garbage then surely your win rate at 15/30 will be worth it
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07-22-2021 , 10:36 AM
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Rep lol or whatever is looking like a big pussy here. If you think his strategy is garbage then surely your win rate at 15/30 will be worth it
this, obviously
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07-22-2021 , 11:18 AM
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Frankly I don't care that much about poker anymore.

Not exactly what I'd want to hear if I was a student of yours, or interested in your RIO content, or a potential buyer of this book
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07-22-2021 , 11:22 AM
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Frankly I don't care that much about poker anymore.
good guy to buy an expensive ass book from

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I'm playing 10-20 and 15-30 which seem reasonably high to me and I've been cheated, scammed,
aka the results he didn't share

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or have had bad enough bad luck in various non poker situations like taxes
UL that the govt also had a copy of that 1099 that RIO sent you?


but sure lol, i look bad itt because i dont care enough to call this guy's bluff on some 30bb ******poker hu match (that he didn't challenge me to, because he's too scared to address me directly).

meanwhile i get PMs from plo regs thanking me for exposing this loser.

lol you guys are pathetic

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07-22-2021 , 12:07 PM
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Not exactly what I'd want to hear if I was a student of yours, or interested in your RIO content, or a potential buyer of this book
How specifically does the fact that poker isn't a huge part of my life in 2021 detract from the book, which was written over the course of years and finished in 2020? If writing is one of my main focuses now, wouldn't I try to create the best book I possibly could?

I also didn't say I don't care about my students, their success, or the quality of my videos. I simply mean the game has become tertiary in importance in my life behind a couple other things. Even given that, I'm still much more knowledgeable than the competition
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07-22-2021 , 12:14 PM
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meanwhile i get PMs from plo regs thanking me for exposing this loser.

lol you guys are pathetic
I get the feeling you're either delusional, a bullshitter or a v v v popular guy everywhere you go.

If I was a betting man (and I am) I'm still not sure which option's the favourite
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07-22-2021 , 12:15 PM
I'd also be happy to play a challenge deep (doesn't illustrate the short stacking theme, but that's okay). I'd accept the challenge on Party Poker 10-25 and I wouldn't even require cameras because they actually have a security team. 30-40k hands, start at 100bb.
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07-22-2021 , 01:08 PM
+rep,
you're the one being clowned for once. quite refreshing to see!

put up or shut up! seriously, it's getting increasingly embarrassing for you and your only recourse is to pick one of the two.
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07-22-2021 , 02:07 PM
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How specifically does the fact that poker isn't a huge part of my life in 2021 detract from the book, which was written over the course of years and finished in 2020? If writing is one of my main focuses now, wouldn't I try to create the best book I possibly could?

I also didn't say I don't care about my students, their success, or the quality of my videos. I simply mean the game has become tertiary in importance in my life behind a couple other things. Even given that, I'm still much more knowledgeable than the competition
I mean you just published a book about poker, and you just said "Frankly I don't care about poker anymore." Did you care about poker in 2020 when you finished the book? Did you care when you were writing it?

Just to give you an example, I'm a nerd for WWII history. I wouldn't buy a book from someone who publicly said "Frankly I don't care about WWII." Why would I?
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07-22-2021 , 02:26 PM
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I mean you just published a book about poker, and you just said "Frankly I don't care about poker anymore." Did you care about poker in 2020 when you finished the book? Did you care when you were writing it?

Just to give you an example, I'm a nerd for WWII history. I wouldn't buy a book from someone who publicly said "Frankly I don't care about WWII." Why would I?
Well you're already slightly missquoting me, but I admit, I could have articulated what I wanted to say better. A better way to state it might be "poker isn't the number one thing in my life anymore. Other things are taking precedence". I know that upsets some people because this is a poker forum and they love poker. I have other things in my life that I want to focus on after years of playing the game. I don't think I've ever worked as hard on anything as I have on this book though.
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07-22-2021 , 02:30 PM
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Well you're already slightly missquoting me, but I admit, I could have articulated what I wanted to say better. A better way to state it might be "poker isn't the number one thing in my life anymore. Other things are taking precedence". I know that upsets some people because this is a poker forum and they love poker. I have other things in my life that I want to focus on after years of playing the game. I don't think I've ever worked as hard on anything as I have on this book though.
I literally quoted exactly what you said. I didn't misquote you.
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07-22-2021 , 02:42 PM
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I literally quoted exactly what you said. I didn't misquote you.
not much of a difference, but since you're so adamant about it, this is false. check over your post once more and you'll notice a slight discrepancy.

besides it should be quite clear to anyone that has read the thread what he meant. the "poker isn't the number one thing in my life anymore"-thing has already been explained multiple times and i honestly don't see what is so terrible about that. he's obviously putting his money where is mouth is when it comes to battling on the felt.

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07-22-2021 , 05:11 PM
Come on +rep,

The challenge has been laid out

And all i’m Hearing are... crickets.

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07-22-2021 , 11:46 PM
+rep talked a big game and how the author is horrible player, but then is scared to play him, and turned to the "anonymous players message me privately" defense
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07-25-2021 , 06:36 AM
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+rep,
you're the one being clowned for once. quite refreshing to see!

put up or shut up! seriously, it's getting increasingly embarrassing for you and your only recourse is to pick one of the two.
there are like 2-3 random 10 count posters/friends of corey, you, and a couple of the usual ankle biters 'clowning' me itt. corey hasn't once addressed me directly and YOU'RE the one who brought up the stupid idea of a 40bb hu plo match (lol)

i dont see any serious poker players 'clowning' me, and this guy's boss may or may not have opened discussion behind the scenes about giving me another job this weekend (i actually love poker bruh), because i have infinitely more clout and respect in these streets than you. so **** off- i did what i wanted to do in here, something you midstakes plo regs are too pussy and unqualified to do yourselves. corey can fight his own battles (or not) and the rest of you can shut the **** up because literally nobody cares what you think.

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07-25-2021 , 06:52 AM
im out here doing big boy **** smashing like 3x pot into peoples faces on the river and you're all "OMG PLAY THE SHORTSTACKER HU, PROVE UR WORTH!"

get real you ****ing moron, my ego would never be so fragile
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07-25-2021 , 06:53 AM
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there are like 2-3 random 10 count posters/friends of corey, you, and a couple of the usual ankle biters 'clowning' me itt. corey hasn't once addressed me directly and YOU'RE the one who brought up the stupid idea of a 40bb hu plo match (lol)

i dont see any serious poker players 'clowning' me, and this guy's boss may or may not have offered me a job behind the scenes this weekend, because i have infinitely more clout and respect in these streets than you. so **** off- i did what i wanted to do in here, something you midstakes plo regs are too pussy and unqualified to do yourselves. corey can fight his own battles (or not) and the rest of you can shut the **** up because literally nobody cares what you think.
i have not suggested any hu match, i was merely hoping it would happen. based on the impression i have of your online badass persona i definitely thought it would! sad that it won't due to you being all bark and no bite. i live in sweden so you can safely challenge me to a fist fight as it won't be transpiring anyway. seems like that is where this is going

you appear extremely upset for someone that lives a life "that is basically the ****" as well as not caring what i think. i've never seen anyone edit ~every post they make (at least >5 minutes after the initial one was posted meaning you reread them) when they don't care. you're actually fuming! comical.

full disclosure: i am not clowning you. i am simply calling a spade a spade. i have never heard of OP before this thread and as such i have no affiliation with him. an ego check for you was long overdue and i am glad to be of service. you're welcome!

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i see you've edited the post i quoted already. who would've thunk!

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im out here doing big boy **** smashing like 3x pot into peoples faces on the river and you're all "OMG PLAY THE SHORTSTACKER HU, PROVE UR WORTH!"

get real you ****ing moron, my ego would never be so fragile
this is straight up embarrassing bro. fragile as porcelain in a china shop full of Pamplonian bulls! stop posting ffs. i won't be responding any further either way

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07-25-2021 , 06:58 AM
you can call it embarassing, but i'm not the one who is embarassed and bowing out with my tail between my legs

the big issue here is you never really should have opened your mouth to begin with, because it doesn't concern you

you're the one who contributed the most to making this thread a ****in mess, trying to speak for a grown ass man when somebody is pressing him for justifications re: the exorbitant price tag on his book
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07-25-2021 , 07:10 AM
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an ego check for you was long overdue and i am glad to be of service. you're welcome!
i want to make sure this comment doesn't get lost in the shuffle tho, because it perfectly illustrates the personal animus and resentment that has these guys so perpetually rustled by my posting style that they come in here and essentially enable a grifting scheme by a guy who is more than halfway out the door from poker already

thanks for telling on yourself
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