I wonder how long it will take this thread to get beyond the low level idiots who are bitter they have to pay anything for training content. Attempting to move a conversation past someone who wants to be confrontational regarding a subject that they are aware of, but do not actually understand, is painfully wearisome.

+1. There are substantial raise/limp differences even in 5bb increments up to like 75bb. From 75bb to 100 there is still a decent gap though not as big, from 100bb+ the BTN RFI strat stabilizes for the most part. There's roughly an 18% raise difference from 30 to 50bb for example. You could imagine the possibility of exploiting someone in a variety of ways who's only limping BTN 30% at 40bb instead of "GTO" of closer to 50%.

Oh man, I feel you there.

I'd love to hear genuine criticism from people who actually read the book, rather than just personal attacks. I'm sure they will find some small things that can be improved and for that reason I plan on making a second edition (free for people who bought the first, of course) to make the book even better.

if you're referring to me, all this nerd talk about preflop ranges lol. i don't even have a problem with the guy's preflop strategy and never said anything along those lines. i take issue with much of his postflop play in his RIO videos (many spots, more than one video), not the fact that he limps buttons @ 30bb depth.

i could post timestamps, but why? everybody makes mistakes, nobody plays perfectly. but the guy posted his own graphs ffs

+rep_lol:

I think you should get specific or else your posts are becoming counter-productive. The purpose of a thread like this is to discuss the quality of the information that is being offered, and the best way to do this is by specific examples.

Mason

I also put the free chapter and TOC up on my webpage for those who are curious or want to offer criticism. I'm more than happy to discuss the merits of the work and to hear feedback.

i hear you. pardon my indignance- from the start this guy deliberately ignored me and even had the nerve to indirectly refer to me as a 'forum troll' when i play bigger than him in multiple games. and then i get some random mod trying to flex because of some long simmering grudge over something stupid, so yea, didn't actually mean to be posting itt so much.

his results speak for themselves. if you don't realize that at this point then i guess you didn't do your due diligence and you just deserve to get raped by the 'free market'

Does this book apply to heads up situations in 6 max or 9 max games? Or is this only heads up games? The way I am looking at your chapters and it seems like you don't talk about deep stacks.

Hi,

So the book is about the game of HUPLO, however all the concepts apply to HU pots in general, just with different ranges involved. For instance, I mention in the book how a HUPLO 3B pot at 120bb (SPR=6.2) plays very similarly to a 6max Blind vs Blind spot where SB raises at 40bb. That's because the SPR is identical, SB's RFI range is around 20% if he has a limp and BB calls a wide range. Similar equity distributions and cbetting strategy. Spots like this, which mirror HU, exist throughout 6 max.

In terms of deep stack play: Probably the largest section of the book is about HU SRP at 100bb which is SPR=16.2. It's probably about 1/3 of the book. I also chose to focus on 120bb 3B Pots (SPR=6.2) because it plays very similarly to 40bb limp and iso-ed pots allowing you to study two things simultaneously.

Hope that helps!

I listened to your podcast with Runchucks and I enjoyed it.

The thing that didn’t sound so good to me was around 1:10:00 mark when you were telling that you were able to create a HEM stats even for Partypoker anonymous tables and when you asked some high stakes crusher why he don’t pay some small stakes player to do the same or why they don’t play against somebody with only 50 bb if the opponent is not that good at 50 bb. And you added that they said not intrested and your reaction to that was ”why are you not intrested in making more money? I like money, that’s the whole point I am playing this game.”

I am high stakes regular and wouldn’t do that either. I am not playing poker only for money. I see it as a very beautiful and complex game and the people who have been doing and are still doing it just for money, have partially ruined the game. I have never used seating script, I have never bought hand histories etc and I propably ”lost” alot of money doing that but I am very proud of myself that I was still able to win significant amounts in a hobby that turned into a profession and I didn’t have to do anything morally/ethically questionsble while doing it. Yes, I have propably played against many degenerate gamblers but I have played them in a fair game using only my knowledge and skills (never even used HUD).

I got a bit carried away but after hearing that comment, you lost a potential buyer of the book. I might lose some EV by not buying it but I don’t want to give my money to a person who plays poker only for money.

Lol price. That’s one way to launder money

I’m going to feed the troll as this is the only thread I’m currently following. And I’m bored

I’m trying to see where you’re coming from so I’m going to list some poker training products and you can tell me if they’re good value or not.

Card runners monthly sub: $30
Blue fire poker monthly sub: $40
Runitonce elite monthly sub: $99
A 5 day preflop study course with Brad Wilson (host of Chasing Poker Greatness podcast): $200
Kanu 6max upswing video course: $1000
Elliot Roe a-game masterclass video series: $1000
Cory Mikesell’s 1st book about 6max plo (available through John Beauprez’s site): approx $1500

I’m going to hammer this point home as I have a feeling maybe +rep lol is teaching me something here.

I asked Cory how good of a huplo player he was. He gave an explanation. I took it at face value and went away happy.

From the quote above there are a couple of points I’m hoping +rep can clarify for me

-his results speak for themselves. (What are they again?)
-my follow up: what do these results actually tell me? (And not just +rep’s interpretations of them/what he thinks they are telling me.)

Hey here is the original post I made where I shared results. I know it's a repost, but I figure it makes sense to quote myself directly so nothing can be easily manipulated or taken out of context

I would also include a number of poker books that have been released throughout the years: Such as Easy Game and Tom Chambers book that originally sold in the four figures. Someone remind me, there were a few others as well

ftw

this book looks great, at some point in the future I will be buying it. the table of contents itself has value as a blueprint

Which browser based site did she discover this on? ( assuming you informed them and they fixed it, if not- was this a major site or a smaller one? )

The site was called "Kingsclubpkr" or something similar. I informed them, they didn't believe me :/

From what she said, this seems like a flaw of browsers generally, maybe there are security fixes, but she seemed to think it was a systemic issue. I can ask her more details if people are interested. I'm not a programmer so I'm only reiterating my limited understanding.

It's probably best to not go into further detail. Thanks for the info though!

Yeah that's the other side of this. The more I say, the easier it is for cheaters. Just be careful out there.

Hey guys,

A number of people have asked, so I'm adding BTC as a method for paying for the book on my website. There will be instructions on the website. It will all operate manually so please be patient when you send. The turn around time for me to send the book shouldn't ever be more than one day. Thanks

good luck with the book,its a bit out of my price range.

has anyone read the other book by cory POKER FOUNDATIONS ? if so what did you think of it ? i was thinking about giving it a try. ( more my price range at $40 lol )

Hi Everyone:

I've been out of this thread for a while but have now gotten to being able to read this book. I haven't read a word of the actual text yet, so have no comments on the quality of information.

However, I did notice that in the dedication the book is edited by someone who calls herself Anna Paradox. (I don't believe this is her real name.) We ran into this person 15 years ago when she edited the book Professional No-Limit Hold 'em: Volume I and understood at that time that she was some sort of life coach. Having her edit this book was done at the request of the authors and not 2+2. The book was written so badly that it had to be sent back to the authors for a rewrite and publication was held up for approximately eight months.

Now I realize it's 15 years later so maybe this Paradox person is now a terrific editor. But based on my experience 15 years ago let's say I have my doubts.

As an example, here's a 59 word sentence from the "Foreword:"

Some might argue that it is somewhat depressing that so much of poker nowadays revolves around solvers and GTO strategies, but to me it's an aspect that makes it even more egalitarian - if you work hard and you work efficiently you can become extremely skilled in the strategic component of the game and that's a huge part of succeeding.

Here's my rewrite:

Some might argue that it's depressing that much of poker today revolves around solvers and GTO. But to me, it makes it even more egalitarian. If you work hard and efficiently, you can become highly skilled strategically and that's a huge part of succeeding.

Notice that 15 words have been removed and it's now three sentences instead of one. If this is typical of the whole book it should be a tough read. I would also recommend that you have it re-edited by a competent editor who understands how to tighten language.

Best wishes,
Mason

HI Mason,

I'd just like to point a couple things out. This foreword was written for me by my good friend tomsOn. He is the high stakes player for which I did a large amount of the analysis in this book. He delivered his foreword after Anna had edited my text. While he is also an extremely intelligent person, he's also non-native english speaker. I chose not to rework his foreword or have Anna do it because I wanted to maintain his voice and not risk altering the tone of what he said to make myself look better. I'm fully willing to accept the blame for this choice, but this is not a reflection of Anna's editing skill.

Anna also has edited books for Tommy Angelo who recommended her to me. I've since taken some writing lessons from her and have seen noticeable improvements in my own skill.

Hi restacks:

This is from your "Introduction" and the bolding is mine:

This book is the accumulation of all the HUPLO knowledge I’ve built from playing the game and training high stakes players. Over the years, I’ve built a database of over 2000 handmade strategy graphs covering every line and every stack size in PLO. I’ve used these to look down at the game from a hgh level and develop heuristics that can guide a player in any situation. This doesn’t mean that you’ll automatically be able to beat them right away as there are many other soft skills in poker that only experience can teach, but given time and study, I expect a number of the readers of this book to ascend to the highest stakes.

So how should you use this book?

A competent editor would not allow the same expression to be used three times so near each other.

Also, for your information, way back, probably in 2006, I told Tommy Angelo that this editor was not competent.

Again, I want to stress that these comments don't mean that the information in the book is not top notch. But I'll see how clear and concise the advice is.

Best wishes,
Mason