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Old 05-31-2021, 03:10 PM   #26
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Re: My Latest Book: HUPLO: The Definitive Guide

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Can we see your graphs from HU PLO somewhere?

Do you play HU PLO these days? If you do, what stakes and with what evBB/100?

Are you planning to release some free content, so that we know what we are buying?
I should probably set up a free download of my TOC and a free chapter on my website. Until then, please PM with your email and I'll send it directly to you.
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Old 05-31-2021, 04:22 PM   #27
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sorry but just lol @ "forum trolls" comment after those graphs/results

alright so here's my thing bro, since it seems like i'm coming at you randomly or whatever. i used to play a bunch of omaha and i recently put an old friend into action. we were looking through various resources on the internet in search of some relevant content to watch and critique, since he's taken like 10 years away from grinding, and your RIO videos were some of the first ones we began watching.

my immediate observations were that you play far too passively, and i'm not surprised to see that it's reflected in your abysmal non-showdown line. it's pretty clear you don't have a solid strategy in place either, as evidenced by the stretch of hands from about 42k-52k in the graph where you completely lost your fold button. that could just be due to your admitted mental game issues, but more often it's indicative of a broader lack of fundamentals. regardless, who posts a 50k hand sample as evidence that he's qualified to write a book? that's weak.

you got a lot of nerve indirectly calling me a forum troll after that ridiculous self-own that was post #25 itt. you can call me a forum troll but it looks pretty bad when you're basically the fgators of hu plo

sorry for having to edit that post a bunch of times, ordinarily i wouldn't even give you the time of day but i'm kinda indignant over the way you took advantage of the lack of 5 card content out there and snuck into the RIO roster.

and i know you're doing everything you can to avoid addressing me, starting with getting your retired bestie to step up in defense of you but...my god bro, they asked you for results and THAT's what you came back with? what the ****

i think mason relaxed the book advertising rules on 2+2 specifically for this, tbh

$1600.....LOL. i'd want my competitors to have to sit here and defend that **** with a straight face too

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Old 05-31-2021, 08:52 PM   #28
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Re: My Latest Book: HUPLO: The Definitive Guide

I think a lot of people make the mistake assuming that because someone doesn't play 25/50+ currently they cannot learn much from them. Or that if someone plays lower than them they cannot learn something. This is especially true in the age of solvers.

For example I do play only 25/50+, bought the upswing course, thought it was great and learned lots.

Have no doubt I'd learn something from this book I could implement into my game.

With that said it's hard to pony up $1600 without seeing some previews. But I see Cory said he's working on that.


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my immediate observations were that you play far too passively, and i'm not surprised to see that it's reflected in your abysmal non-showdown line.
As in loose passive? It would be fairly difficult to achieve a 10bb (averaging the 2 samples), winning more in redline and it be derived mostly due to calling too much. Like it's some pretty quick/simple adjustments for an opponent to make once shown several OOL over-calls.
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Old 05-31-2021, 08:54 PM   #29
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As in loose passive? It would be fairly difficult to achieve a 10bb (averaging the 2 samples), winning more in redline and it be derived mostly due to calling too much. Like it's some pretty quick/simple adjustments for an opponent to make once shown several OOL over-calls.
as in weak passive (edit: apart from that 10k hand stretch where he lost his mind- the mealy mouthed admission of mental game issues in anticipation of that being addressed was cute too). lol @ fairly difficult to achieve 10evbb/100 over a <100k sample.

come on bro, youre smarter than that. real crushers don't have such wild deviation in their SD/NSD lines over such small samples either. this dude is grifting, imo

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Old 05-31-2021, 09:07 PM   #30
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it's ok to have a slightly losing NSD line and a winning SD line- it's not optimal in most game dynamics, but it's gonna generally produce a nice winrate in today's games. if you got a winning NSD line and a flat SD line, great, you're a bonafide crusher. what's not ok is having a winning NSD line and a losing SD line that averages out to a mediocre winrate over a pathetic sample. and then trying to use that as a basis to sell a definitive guide to anything. even more hilarious when this guy's SD and NSD lines are spiking all over the place because he's an admitted tiltbox who is flying by the seat of his pants.
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Old 05-31-2021, 09:11 PM   #31
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and i know you're doing everything you can to avoid addressing me, starting with getting your retired bestie to step up in defense of you but...my god bro, they asked you for results and THAT's what you came back with? what the ****

i think mason relaxed the book advertising rules on 2+2 specifically for this, tbh

$1600.....LOL. i'd want my competitors to have to sit here and defend that **** with a straight face too
Hi +rep:

The rules were changed five years ago. And at that time I wasn't thinking about this thread.

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Old 05-31-2021, 09:18 PM   #32
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oh my fault. how much does jason su's new mental game book go for, btw?
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Old 05-31-2021, 09:28 PM   #33
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oh my fault. how much does jason su's new mental game book go for, btw?
You can go his his website and find out what his book goes for, what his course costs, and what his direct coaching costs are.

https://www.pokerwithpresence.com/

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Old 05-31-2021, 09:57 PM   #34
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Re: My Latest Book: HUPLO: The Definitive Guide

Hi guys! Since I'm taking so long to put this up on my website, here are screenshots of the TOC. I'll get the free chapter up on my website soon.

Bear in mind that it's in PDF so 256 pages works out to about double in real book length. Lots of content there.

https://gyazo.com/b6782063b1d365f76fb55aa0e41a48f9
https://gyazo.com/bc81adba88fab40eb40703ff8add301c
https://gyazo.com/4d1085f37b3513b39ee9d381cddad191
https://gyazo.com/8fc94d6546f39395bc410de6e0765e7a
https://gyazo.com/bfcfb9cf16dcecc8e65cf10b84dbc712
https://gyazo.com/47d95cbda963259c5f7910926beff1b7
https://gyazo.com/061d1498e5a6913fa6b79f6036468086
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Old 05-31-2021, 10:11 PM   #35
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Hi guys! Since I'm taking so long to put this up on my website, here are screenshots of the TOC. I'll get the free chapter up on my website soon.

Bear in mind that it's in PDF so 256 pages works out to about double in real book length. Lots of content there.

https://gyazo.com/b6782063b1d365f76fb55aa0e41a48f9
https://gyazo.com/bc81adba88fab40eb40703ff8add301c
https://gyazo.com/4d1085f37b3513b39ee9d381cddad191
https://gyazo.com/8fc94d6546f39395bc410de6e0765e7a
https://gyazo.com/bfcfb9cf16dcecc8e65cf10b84dbc712
https://gyazo.com/47d95cbda963259c5f7910926beff1b7
https://gyazo.com/061d1498e5a6913fa6b79f6036468086
What's the page size and is it double or single spaced? Even better, what's the word count?

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Old 05-31-2021, 10:21 PM   #36
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What's the page size and is it double or single spaced? Even better, what's the word count?

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Hi Mason,

Thanks for letting me share the book. The book contains 43,579 words, but also includes more than 400+ of my custom made strategy graphs that illustrate the solver outputs. Not sure what the page sizing is. Just the standard 8.5/11 in microsoft word. The document is single spaced. I would be honored to send you a free copy if you'd like to see it.
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Old 05-31-2021, 10:40 PM   #37
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Hi Mason,

Thanks for letting me share the book. The book contains 43,579 words, but also includes more than 400+ of my custom made strategy graphs that illustrate the solver outputs. Not sure what the page sizing is. Just the standard 8.5/11 in microsoft word. The document is single spaced. I would be honored to send you a free copy if you'd like to see it.
Hi restacks:

I thought my questions would clarify exactly how large the book really is, but if the 400+ graphs are images the word count won't reflect that, and images can contain a lot of information. As a comparison, one of our longer books is Matt Janda's Applications of No-Limit Hold 'em which is 121,000 words, and while it has card pictures (which are images) and some equations (which are also images) it's not a fair comparison.

However, with that being said, 256 pages in single spaced Microsoft Word on an 8.5/11 page size should be a fairly large book. The exception to this would be if the images were somehow over sized and contained little information. But looking at the TOC I doubt that would be the case.

You're welcome to send me a book but I know little about heads-up PLO.

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Old 05-31-2021, 10:46 PM   #38
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send him a free copy you still aren't gonna buy a second person to come itt and defend you
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Old 05-31-2021, 10:51 PM   #39
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Hi restacks:

I thought my questions would clarify exactly how large the book really is, but if the 400+ graphs are images the word count won't reflect that, and images can contain a lot of information. As a comparison, one of our longer books is Matt Janda's Applications of No-Limit Hold 'em which is 121,000 words, and while it has card pictures (which are images) and some equations (which are also images) it's not a fair comparison.

However, with that being said, 256 pages in single spaced Microsoft Word on an 8.5/11 page size should be a fairly large book. The exception to this would be if the images were somehow over sized and contained little information. But looking at the TOC I doubt that would be the case.

You're welcome to send me a book but I know little about heads-up PLO.

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Hey Mason,

Because I chose a dark color scheme for the images (they were originally just made for my study and the study of my students on a PC screen), I wasn't able to ensure that the printed books would be high quality. The images look really nice on PC especially when you can zoom in, but I've elected to just keep it as an ebook to avoid sending people bad print copies. I'd be happy to send you an ebook copy though. Feel free to send me a PM with your email address and I'll send it tomorrow after my flight.

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this dude sat here with a green square for hours 'VIEWING MY LATEST BOOK THREAD', watching every post i made and signed off with some 'after my flight' bullshit like he's a baller




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Old 05-31-2021, 11:36 PM   #41
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Hey Mason,

Because I chose a dark color scheme for the images (they were originally just made for my study and the study of my students on a PC screen), I wasn't able to ensure that the printed books would be high quality. The images look really nice on PC especially when you can zoom in, but I've elected to just keep it as an ebook to avoid sending people bad print copies. I'd be happy to send you an ebook copy though. Feel free to send me a PM with your email address and I'll send it tomorrow after my flight.

Thanks again
Hi restacks:

If you're printing black ink on white pages this is probably accurate. But if you're printing four-color process, and I'm assuming you'll be using print on demand, the pages should look as good as they do on the computer screen.

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Old 05-31-2021, 11:58 PM   #42
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my immediate observations were that you play far too passively, and i'm not surprised to see that it's reflected in your abysmal non-showdown line. it's pretty clear you don't have a solid strategy in place either, as evidenced by the stretch of hands from about 42k-52k in the graph where you completely lost your fold button.
I believe to have read somewhere in the vast plains of the internet, that the red line represents non showdown winnings. I have a hard time putting a positive red line into an “abysmal” context.
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Old 06-01-2021, 12:00 AM   #43
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MASON, he's catching a flight. just like every other grifter who has been exposed on these boards for being a charlatain, he's too busy to respond right now because he's travelling internationally, living the high life, too pre-occupied to respond to a pleb like me despite 8 hours to do so and having been active the entire time

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I believe to have read somewhere in the vast plains of the internet, that the red line represents non showdown winnings. I have a hard time putting a positive red line into an “abysmal” context.
pro tip: winning redline isnt impressive if it's being (mostly) cancelled out by blue line losses. you're being hustled.
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MASON, he's catching a flight. just like every other grifter who has been exposed on these boards for being a charlatain, he's too busy to respond right now because he's travelling internationally, living the high life, too pre-occupied to respond to a pleb like me despite 8 hours to do so and having been active the entire time



pro tip: winning redline isnt impressive if it's being (mostly) cancelled out by blue line losses. you're being hustled.
If he's a charlatan, why would he send me a book (unless I never get it)? And while I'm not very knowledegeable about PLO, I'm quite knowledgeable about poker in general. So if he's a charlatan I should be able to see it from how the concepts are presented in the book.

You need to understand that I strongly believe in the free market. And that means that people/businesses are free to set whatever price they want. Furthermore, I doubt at the $1,600 price he'll sell many books (and I have a lot of experience relative to how poker books should be priced). But that doesn't mean he's doing anything wrong.

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Old 06-01-2021, 12:51 AM   #45
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If he's a charlatan, why would he send me a book (unless I never get it)?
i'm mostly just clowning on his deliberate refusal to address my posts itt, but come on- you admitted yourself that you're not in a position to gauge it on the merits.

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believe me, i get that. lol. and that's why i've decided to go hard in here for the moment. regardless of whether you're competitor in the publishing game or not, i know you welcome robust debate on the merits

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And that means that people/businesses are free to set whatever price they want. Furthermore, I doubt at the $1,600 price he'll sell many books (and I have a lot of experience relative to how poker books should be priced). But that doesn't mean he's doing anything wrong.
two-way street imo. i'm a potential customer.

if he was man enough to come in here and defend it, you wouldn't have to be making posts like that one.
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Old 06-01-2021, 02:32 AM   #46
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so busy packing his bookbag tho. not available til after his big flight tmrw
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Old 06-01-2021, 03:35 AM   #47
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I have to agree that I have not been impressed by any of the RIO videos and find it hard to believe that the author is a HU crusher by any margin. I do still think that he has spent time with solvers so there might be some good stuff in it.
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Hi restacks:

If you're printing black ink on white pages this is probably accurate. But if you're printing four-color process, and I'm assuming you'll be using print on demand, the pages should look as good as they do on the computer screen.

Best wishes,
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Hey Mason,

Thanks for that, I'll keep it in mind that 4 color is more forgiving. Last time I used print on demand, my 2017 book turned out well, but the graphs I created this time are far more detailed and benefit from zooming sometimes. I might release a physical book later with a searchable collection of images to accompany it. Appreciate your time!
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Old 06-01-2021, 08:25 AM   #49
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@restacks .

If given the choice between selling 8 books and perma banning +rep_lol which would you choose?

He does seem to be asking some questions that are not being answered.

If you are going to benefit from thread you sort have to man up and take the good with the bad.

Its a bad look to respond to only the good and ignore the bad.
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Old 06-01-2021, 09:29 AM   #50
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I have to agree that I have not been impressed by any of the RIO videos and find it hard to believe that the author is a HU crusher by any margin. I do still think that he has spent time with solvers so there might be some good stuff in it.
thats where my 'weak passive' comment comes from. those 5 card videos were an absolute joke.

obviously he's just a tiltbox IRL, based on that graph and his own admission. $350/hr. jesus ****in christ.

that would like maybe be worth it for me to take time away from 2knl to coach people. and this guy struggles at midstakes.

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