I can. PayPal is easily socially engineered. Whether you are sending funds or receiving funds, people who know the loopholes can convince PayPal to reverse the transaction (or not reverse it), and there is nothing you can do about it.

He says to never use PayPal. I'd amend that to be, only use it with people you 100% trust, like large businesses and personal friends. Never for things like swaps.

Is this edog maybe? Lol
Can someone explain how he stole from or scammed two plus two people? Maybe I read it wrong. I'm tired.

I find it interesting that 6 years ago when I posted that I was being nuked while playing on Stars, I was laughed at and the thread was locked.

Now that the advertising dollars have gone away, ppl are like, "Yeah, ppl were totally getting scammed by DDOS attacks 6 years ago."

Then explain his reasoning for keeping the money and why it is justified. Just because his peers with similar interests say it is ok?

The main reason he isn't paying is to prevent being freerolled. Also because in any online poker game you have no idea where the money has come from that the other players are using and it is not the player's responsibility to make sure that their opponents money comes from legitimate sources. He may be right in some regards in that maybe the Poker Site should shoulder some of the responsibility in this situation (they wont) but it doesn't change the fact that he won stolen goods and now possesses stolen goods (funds). If this had been a live game and lefort was playing the scammer heads up for cash stolen from a bank the police would take Lefort's winnings and return the $ to the bank even though Lefort had no involvement or knowledge of the original crime. Online it doesn't work like that only because it is online with no regulatory agencies. The sites themselves are the closest you are going to get anyone policing these games (which leaves the existing every man for them-self environment).

Just because Lefort assumed some risk in winning the scammers 5k doesn't mean that the stolen 5k shouldn't go back to its rightful owner.

Lefort is a known high stakes player and this 5k meant the world to the low stakes grinder and although not obligated legally he could have done the morally upstanding thing and made the scamming victim whole regardless. Even charge a "recovery fee" commensurate with whatever risk you took to peel the 5k off the scammer if you really just can't stomach the idea of being freerolled or doing something for nothing. Say half the time you would win the 5k half the time you would lose the 5k if you played this scammer in a series of freezeouts. So keep 2,500 and give the victim back 2,500. Its not perfect but neither is the solution you guys decided on in which Lefort keeps 100%.

This isn't 2 random people with vague circumstances around what happened. We know Lefort. We know the victim as a regular poster here. We know the victim was spamming support and table chat as the heads up with Lefort was happening. Stars Shoulda done more. Lefort could do more.

I feel bad for the people who were DDOS victims.

Everybody else, not so much.

When I think of compassionate, I think of something like someone donating a organ to someone they don't know personally. The act of listening to the pleas of a fraud victim who you are the direct beneficiary of does not qualify. While you are within your legal right to keep the money, I would genuinely feel pretty bad about keeping a guy's bankroll who got hacked and dumped to me - if I were the victim and read this post, I'd probably think you were a prick. I guess they don't have a Cardrunners training video for empathy.

Yes I was LivLiv1. I sent $10,000 Lock (DDOS winnings) to Trevor Pope to trade funds and he took the funds and said he was going to send it back to who it belongs too. He then said Lock froze his account. Whatever the case may be, I documented everything and I have it in my files. I will be appropriating those funds to the rightful owners, unless they have been returned already. This I would like to know, it would help a lot. Whatever makes this large number smaller would be great, thanks.

What did you do with that $10k Trevor? Did Lock seize it or did you give it back or keep it.

FFS didn't read all 18 pages but irl this guy goes to prison. Def not gonna make 300k airbrushing.

GIMME_DAT & SA1251

Micah and Sean.

You'd have to think so

Edit- confirmed.

Thanks for taking the time to explain that, I had not seen these points you make bought up until now. However I do still think it's quite noble to consider returning the money, it's just even more noble to actually return it (or part of it).

Justin, Can you name any of the scamees that you have had contact with and came to a repayment agreement with?

Thank you. Did you write the keylogger, buy it, or what?

Best post in the thread

What do you do for a living? You gave me the chills. You sound like a philosopher or Something.

To be honest I went through the whole grieving process and waited 10 months until I was ready to post this. I had the list made in Jan but I didnt feel like I was ready I knew I was going to confess publicity I just didn't know when.

I was almost murdered again this year and I finally gave up growing pot for good. I realized I was actually limited in that business and I wanted to pursue my real dream.

I was given my dream.

I pick fruit.

You gotta start at the bottom, but at least I started. Tears of joy ran down my face as a load of Pomegranate took off between a row of trees.

Finally, after all these years of struggling, I'm doing what I love and what is right.

I've been saying Ivey cheated on FTP since well before Black Friday. People are finally starting to entertain that thought now.

What prompted you to scam ebet33? What were you thinking?

Are you seeing any one for psychological help though?

Did you decide to start scamming after your grow business with your partner fell through then?

As has been pointed out ITT, it's not possible to get DDOSed "through" the Stars client.

It is obviously possible to get DDOSed though, but if you did it's because those who did it got your IP through you having some other connection with them.

Confirmed: Nobody's getting payed.

All I know is years ago I was getting nuked, and nobody listened. Now people are starting to talk about how to prevent it from happening, which is a start.

But really, the way people were treated years ago, if they came here and said "internet poker is rigged", is pretty sad. Because it was. It still is.

It's hard to say whether you deserved a lock and/or ridicule without seeing the thread and how it went, but typically those who start those threads are not open to anything but the "stars is rigged!!!!" viewpoint.

I don't think anyone doubted that DDOS was real though. And I also don't think anyone doubted that you could scam someone by DDOSing them while you were playing them on stars. But that has nothing to do with Stars being rigged or not secure, since they would need to DDOS you totally "separately" from Stars. If you lose a pot because someone pulls the plug out on your computer, you can't blame Stars for it.

It's the same as a number of other things that someone can do to scam you for money - watch your screen physically, get a keylogger/screen capture program on your computer or whatever else. Of course it can happen and of course it would result in you getting scammed - but it has nothing to do with a poker client being rigged or unsafe.

You really should be in sales. You'd be great at it. Though you'd probably get fired and go to prison for fraud trying to get extra commission. So ya, maybe picking fruit is better.