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Old 07-24-2013, 10:03 AM   #201
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The victim is the one who doesnt know who the person is and because of this loses money to him. Even a fish can beat someone if their perceived image is different that it would be if they knew who that person really is. If a fish MA's most people are likely winning, but not everyone. Difference can be huge.

That is also kind of a weird way to think of this issue. So if a professional who is multiaccounting and trying to win other professionals money happens to lose there is no crime? Since there are no victims. But if that person happens to win then it all of a sudden is a crime? Makes very little sense, do you see?


What if everyone is not OK with it?




Once again, if there is even one player opposing something that can be seen as breaking the rules then that should not be tolerated, right? It cannot be a majority vote.
If even one hsnl player was against fish MAing you'd have a point. The only people against it are nvgtards and probably play 10nl or lower.

Also kanu explained it really well.
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:04 AM   #202
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As a railbird I couldn't imagine following the nosebleeds when everyone changes accounts every X amount of days. The name value of guys like Isildur or whoever would be diluted so much, and their winnings and losses would be obscured. Railing the nosebleeds would definitely lose appeal from my perspective.
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:29 AM   #203
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As a railbird I couldn't imagine following the nosebleeds when everyone changes accounts every X amount of days. The name value of guys like Isildur or whoever would be diluted so much, and their winnings and losses would be obscured. Railing the nosebleeds would definitely lose appeal from my perspective.
Thats why pokersites have online pro's. They traditionally play under their own name / known nick as a trade off for salary.
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:33 AM   #204
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If even one hsnl player was against fish MAing you'd have a point. The only people against it are nvgtards and probably play 10nl or lower.

Also kanu explained it really well.
Fair enough. I disagree but it's pointless to argue around this issue anymore. This still doesnt change the fact that rules seem to be different for players, thus making it almost impossible for sites to do anything about it. If players accept some people to MA and others not I dont see why sites should be the ones trying to manage this. If this is what players want then they have to live with the fact that there are also professionals and winning players MA'ing. I hope you realize sites cannot be responsible if this is the way professionals want it. (OK for some to MA but not others)
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Old 07-24-2013, 10:56 AM   #205
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Tom 80% of the **** that gets you anywhere in life is your character. I respect you a tonne but saying MAing is OK is a massive leak in character and you should work out how the **** not to be an *******. The only thing someone deserves in a poker game is to know who the **** is playing and to know the cards are being dealt randomly. The reason for this is that if a slippery slope situation occurred it would be madness. Hoodlums in the street.. Doesn't anyone have any respect these days. I guess really everyone should make an account a day. And play 3 hands before quitting. I've heard others say this same bull**** and what it comes down to is you guys stealing from me. I know you dont see it that way but that is exactly what it comes down to. I can see how you would put yourself in that position, but thats how i see it and you are losing way more than a few bills being someone sitting on that side of the fence. I have had good friends in this community play hands with me for long stretches knowing full well who i was without even telling me then think i was out of line when i wanted a personal apology person to person. Dont be that guy.

I've had 1 FTP account and 1 Stars account over the course of my life and crushed enough by working hard to get where i wanted to. The reason poker is a great game is it provides an arena for all this bull****. That's the whole point. You don't have to where a fake nose. You don't have to pretend your some broker and wiggling your thumb while bluffing (i don't know what edge that would give to your bluff btw, no idea). The game is so good that that **** is ****ing stupid. It's the ultimate game until ****s like you ****ing ****ing ****s come along god damn. want 4 faces in a game that lets you wear whatever face you want but you still want a leg up before the game even starts.

Don't get me started on bleznick that greedy mother .

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Old 07-24-2013, 11:04 AM   #206
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Makes me sad someone like durrr is sponsored online pro

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Old 07-24-2013, 11:12 AM   #207
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Thats why pokersites have online pro's. They traditionally play under their own name / known nick as a trade off for salary.
Uh, FTP has three total online pros. Fairly certain railbirds care about what's going on beyond those three.

Also, I doubt Isildur or Durrrr would be nearly as known as they are now, had they been changing account names every few weeks.
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:22 AM   #208
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:29 AM   #209
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:33 AM   #210
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Stop sugar-coating things Martin, this is a big deal.
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:45 AM   #211
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To be fair, I think Tom just said that there's way shadier **** going on than multiaccounting, especially in live games, and that 2p2ers don't boycott those games (which they should to be consistent if they're getting apoplectic over every little angle people find online). He said MAing is closer to an angle than cheating.

All of that is consistent with him saying MAing isn't OK. He's just not getting out his pitchfork over this as much as some people.

^^ All of which I basically agree with. But there's a huge spectrum of MAing, from fish protecting his identity on the low end to <------> Harrington systematically making a bajillion accounts. Some stuff which is technically called MAing is pretty silly to get angry about. Say I'm sweating my buddy playing $2/$4 while drinking a beer and he sells me 25% of his action and I talk about hands with him. Guess that's "cheating" for some people ITT. Meh. On the other end of the spectrum, I could start MAing Stars and get tons of HU action and prob be a favorite to make six-seven figs extra over playing my own account. That's definitely cheating in my book.

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Old 07-24-2013, 11:48 AM   #212
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To be fair, I think Tom just said that there's way shadier **** going on than multiaccounting, especially in live games, and that 2p2ers don't boycott those games. He said MAing is closer to an angle than cheating.

All of that is consistent with him saying MAing isn't OK, he's just not getting out his pitchfork over this as much as some people.
lol. maybe i should just beat people rather than raping them. integrity is integrity. who gets their pitchfork out. no one. not in todays world.

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Old 07-24-2013, 11:50 AM   #213
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Re: Multi-accounting cheating at high stakes - Jared Bleznick and more

You guys are acting as if some people think MAing is totally fine. They don't. Nobody thinks it shouldn't be a topic of discussion either.

Instead of flinging **** everywhere, how do you propose stopping it?
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:55 AM   #214
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I skipped most of the posts so not sure if somebody has said this already or not and I know its been discussed before but..

Let everyone change their sn's once/month = even playing ground for everyone.

More games will get started. Tracking becomes difficult/impossible. And players still have the option to keep the same name for the sake of attempting to achieve any sponsorships or attention for whatever reason.
Wouldn't be too difficult to write a piece of software that could accurately tell you who people were each month If they are playing the same limits grinding each month The software would pick up the players stats and habits and compare them to players at similar stakes that haven't played since that player had been first tracked by you

I should copyright this before it happens
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Old 07-24-2013, 11:59 AM   #215
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Maybe out some of the people you know multiaccount if you want to help stop this?

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Old 07-24-2013, 12:14 PM   #216
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Guys, not sure whether this had been discussed but Gozoboro is not Harrington.
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:23 PM   #217
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Wow I have very little idea what you just said. One of the most incoherent posts in a while. But I guess Martin is tilted and I get it, but there is a way to talk civil even about issues that tilt you to no end (Which I can understand). Being rude and obnoxious never helped anyone.
suck a d1ck. you going to read sartre to someone while he robs you? probably.
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:26 PM   #218
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On the other end of the spectrum, I could start MAing Stars and get tons of HU action and prob be a favorite to make six-seven figs extra over playing my own account. That's definitely cheating in my book.
to be honest I think unless you run really hot pretty much all players will stop giving you action long before you make 7 figs. willing to bet this with anyone

pretty weird if someone out of the blue comes out of no where and can actually play well...
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:34 PM   #219
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to be honest I think unless you run really hot pretty much all players will stop giving you action long before you make 7 figs. willing to bet this with anyone

pretty weird if someone out of the blue comes out of no where and can actually play well...
how about with 30 accounts?
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:55 PM   #220
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So just introduce webcams. Or at least webcam verification. (Every single time they play)

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Old 07-24-2013, 01:18 PM   #221
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how does one multi-account? don't you need send documents into stars or wherever?

how do people do it so easily? did townsend make a training video about this on cardrunners? im confused
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:20 PM   #222
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To be fair, I think Tom just said that there's way shadier **** going on than multiaccounting, especially in live games, and that 2p2ers don't boycott those games (which they should to be consistent if they're getting apoplectic over every little angle people find online). He said MAing is closer to an angle than cheating.

All of that is consistent with him saying MAing isn't OK. He's just not getting out his pitchfork over this as much as some people.

^^ All of which I basically agree with. But there's a huge spectrum of MAing, from fish protecting his identity on the low end to <------> Harrington systematically making a bajillion accounts. Some stuff which is technically called MAing is pretty silly to get angry about. Say I'm sweating my buddy playing $2/$4 while drinking a beer and he sells me 25% of his action and I talk about hands with him. Guess that's "cheating" for some people ITT. Meh. On the other end of the spectrum, I could start MAing Stars and get tons of HU action and prob be a favorite to make six-seven figs extra over playing my own account. That's definitely cheating in my book.
A quick thankyou to sauce for teaching me my new favourite word, 'apoplectic'.
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:24 PM   #223
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On the Ongame network, I think you can't even log-in via any VPN. I think this might be a good idea. Thought ?
One of the best posts here...
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:29 PM   #224
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I don't see why not if a fingerprint scanner was compulsory for $10/$20+ or something. Stars can sell cheapy fingerprint scanners in the Pokerstars store - maybe you earn one when you hit supernova or something. Its a nice bit of security for your account too. I don't see why this wouldn't be accepted.

I would prefer anonymous tables to this BS situation where I'm playing an army of multi-accounters every day.
So funny i was about to post something about a finger scan mouse (ie every time you click it had to be ur fingerprint) however all those shady people that created the script to automatically sit in when a fish is on a table will definitely find a crack and circumvent this and the people once again at a disadvantage would be the ones following the rules.

Also it would be interesting to bring up that auto sit in script in this thread as something that really needs to be changed. It is really an unfair advantage to those who have it, and creates a really bad vibe to the online game esp to that recreational player

finally would like to also ask jungleman and durrr to more on their belief that live games are more rigged if they can please (give us eg?)
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:36 PM   #225
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Wow I have very little idea what you just said. One of the most incoherent posts in a while. But I guess Martin is tilted and I get it, but there is a way to talk civil even about issues that tilt you to no end (Which I can understand). Being rude and obnoxious never helped anyone.

lol@trying to act like a church going gentleman when martin has been angleshot for ****ton of money by "Friends" backstabbing him like this.

NVG is such a ****ing joke. People insulting Martins intelligence is the biggest joke, if given 1000 life times you wouldn't be the person he is. So get of your high donkeys and take that little extra effort to read a tilted mans upset post instead of crying that it isnt in good english grammar. Let's see how the guilty people try to push this off on something else.

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Yes! you being captain of the debate team makes you a more successfull person than a winning nose bleed player. get back into your cave and let them sort this **** out without NVGing all over it.
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