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Old 07-22-2013, 07:06 PM   #51
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IMO multi-accounting online is akin to sitting at a live poker table on Tuesday dressed as a Mexican cowboy and on Thursday as a mustached redneck.

Obv totally wrong if accounts are colluding with each other though.

And I guess my argument falls apart when you consider high stakes players play same few opponents over and over again.
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:08 PM   #52
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As far as Harrington is concerned, it's just kinda obvious it's him because he can't help himself from needling people in chat, and his terrible jokes/needles strongly suggest it's him on the account, and the playstyle is similar to his.
I don't think similar playstyle and chat is enough to accuse someone of cheating.Everyone seems to be sure it's Bleznick,i haven't read a solid proof/lead to make that assumption.What am i missing?
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:14 PM   #53
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anyone know offhand the multi-accounting stance/tos of the new LV online room (ultimatepoker)?
4.5. Personal Use. Player will use Ultimate Poker software, websites and services and Player Account only for Player's own private, personal use and not for any business or commercial use, and not for use by others or as part of a professional or coordinated syndicate. Granting Player Account access to any other person, or sharing accounts between multiple people, is strictly prohibited and is grounds for account suspension or closure and forfeiture of all balances.
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:23 PM   #54
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4.5. Personal Use. Player will use Ultimate Poker software, websites and services and Player Account only for Player's own private, personal use and not for any business or commercial use, and not for use by others or as part of a professional or coordinated syndicate. Granting Player Account access to any other person, or sharing accounts between multiple people, is strictly prohibited and is grounds for account suspension or closure and forfeiture of all balances.
can you open a second account legally on ultimate? (sorry if this is easy to find, i havent played on this site yet). I only ask because this will likely become the industry standard in america on multi accounting and violations will be criminal and not just "angle shooting".
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:23 PM   #55
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Just want to clarify exactly how big of an advantage MAing is/can be.

MAing is a pretty solid advantage, and it gets to be a bigger advantage the better the player you are. It also is a much bigger advantage MAing on Stars/FTP because until recently regs expected each player to have one account. It's only a small advantage to MA on Ipoker (or any site where there are tons of skins to make accounts on) because anyone can have tons of accounts at any time anyways.

The reason why MAing makes you more as you're a better player is that people have a decent idea of what the pecking order is online, and if you MA (and people believe you are a new account) then you get to start at the bottom of the pecking order and play whomever you want. You also get to use any kind of reads you have on people, or you might know how they'd tend to perceive a "fish" playing and then level them for awhile.

So, if X is the best player at high stakes, and the other 19 guys won't play him, he might make between 2 bb/100 and 10bb/100 depending if he plays guy #2 or guy #20. Once he MAs though, he can play guy #20, win his 10bb/100, and then level guy #20 for a few more bb/100. Then after crushing on guy #20 until he quits, the MAer just moves on to guy #19, and repeats the process, at least until people catch on.

But yea, the combination of having a fishy image combined with no one suspecting you combined with being able to game select better makes MAing pretty darn profitable. That being said, MAing is a huge risk, and there's always a good chance Stars/FTP find out and close your account/confiscate your funds. So you have to be super careful about not leaving a lot in the account, etc.
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:27 PM   #56
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I don't think similar playstyle and chat is enough to accuse someone of cheating.Everyone seems to be sure it's Bleznick,i haven't read a solid proof/lead to make that assumption.What am i missing?
Think of it like poker. People gossip about it, guy talks like Jared, guy plays like Jared, so I'm convinced enough it's Jared when I play the account to play exactly like I would against Jared. So I have a read I guess, def not proof. I could totally be wrong, and probably at least one of the suspected accounts isn't him.

My standard of reliable info is just if I'm confident enough it's X to play like it's X, then I'm confident enough to say "I think it's X" on this forum.
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:33 PM   #57
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can you open a second account legally on ultimate? (sorry if this is easy to find, i havent played on this site yet). I only ask because this will likely become the industry standard in america on multi accounting and violations will be criminal and not just "angle shooting".
No you must provide a SS# number so one account per player..
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:43 PM   #58
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Ben Tollerene (ben86) talks about multi accounting on high stakes PLO
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:44 PM   #59
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Just play on Bovada, all anonymous yo.
This. All those who think multiaccounting should not be cheating and is no big deal, are welcome to ride with me. Look me up on courchsurfing.org.
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Old 07-22-2013, 07:56 PM   #60
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No you must provide a SS# number so one account per player..
sorta settles it, and what i figured the rules were but didnt want to pre-suppose. MA is illegal, a gaming violation and will be prosecuted in America. Dur is just wrong here.

I do think there is an opening for an all anonymous american site though.
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Old 07-22-2013, 08:12 PM   #61
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ralph cifaretto, confirmed reasoning skills of a female baboon and moral values of a corporate lawyer.
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Old 07-22-2013, 08:38 PM   #62
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Just want to clarify exactly how big of an advantage MAing is/can be.

MAing is a pretty solid advantage, and it gets to be a bigger advantage the better the player you are. It also is a much bigger advantage MAing on Stars/FTP because until recently regs expected each player to have one account. It's only a small advantage to MA on Ipoker (or any site where there are tons of skins to make accounts on) because anyone can have tons of accounts at any time anyways.

The reason why MAing makes you more as you're a better player is that people have a decent idea of what the pecking order is online, and if you MA (and people believe you are a new account) then you get to start at the bottom of the pecking order and play whomever you want. You also get to use any kind of reads you have on people, or you might know how they'd tend to perceive a "fish" playing and then level them for awhile.

So, if X is the best player at high stakes, and the other 19 guys won't play him, he might make between 2 bb/100 and 10bb/100 depending if he plays guy #2 or guy #20. Once he MAs though, he can play guy #20, win his 10bb/100, and then level guy #20 for a few more bb/100. Then after crushing on guy #20 until he quits, the MAer just moves on to guy #19, and repeats the process, at least until people catch on.

But yea, the combination of having a fishy image combined with no one suspecting you combined with being able to game select better makes MAing pretty darn profitable. That being said, MAing is a huge risk, and there's always a good chance Stars/FTP find out and close your account/confiscate your funds. So you have to be super careful about not leaving a lot in the account, etc.
Sauce wins the internet.

Sauce: do you suspect other accounts to be multiaccounting or cheating besides the ones that are mentioned in the thread?

Who do you think are playing fakeorreal and ragingheart?
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Old 07-22-2013, 08:38 PM   #63
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If Ivey is putting on a disguise to get action from people who don't want to gamble against him he is possibly committing trespassing.
FYP. Sorry the background and legal context of your post should be so obvious to anyone with 10k posts on a gambling forum that I would have to call it disingenuous.
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Old 07-22-2013, 08:42 PM   #64
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People are whining cause their datamining ways are backfiring. If you were unable to collecting data on every one you play, then it wouldnt matter. Thats what needs to be addressed. HUDs are a crutch. PokerTracking websites should be banned as well. No one should be able to see how much someone is winning or losing. Just play the player and adjust. If he is playing too good, sit out and find weaker opponents. A few rounds at the table is all you need to figure out a players style. HSP players are rarely 20 tabling so they should be able to follow the action without HUDs.

I like the anonymous suggestion the best actually. That would solve all of this. I dont want people tracking my play, period. I remember back when Blom got railroaded because players got together to break down his play and ganged up on him. Thats such bs. If we were all anonymous that couldnt happen. I really hate the data-mining aspect of our game.
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Old 07-22-2013, 08:45 PM   #65
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Just want to clarify exactly how big of an advantage MAing is/can be.

MAing is a pretty solid advantage, and it gets to be a bigger advantage the better the player you are. It also is a much bigger advantage MAing on Stars/FTP because until recently regs expected each player to have one account. It's only a small advantage to MA on Ipoker (or any site where there are tons of skins to make accounts on) because anyone can have tons of accounts at any time anyways.

The reason why MAing makes you more as you're a better player is that people have a decent idea of what the pecking order is online, and if you MA (and people believe you are a new account) then you get to start at the bottom of the pecking order and play whomever you want. You also get to use any kind of reads you have on people, or you might know how they'd tend to perceive a "fish" playing and then level them for awhile.

So, if X is the best player at high stakes, and the other 19 guys won't play him, he might make between 2 bb/100 and 10bb/100 depending if he plays guy #2 or guy #20. Once he MAs though, he can play guy #20, win his 10bb/100, and then level guy #20 for a few more bb/100. Then after crushing on guy #20 until he quits, the MAer just moves on to guy #19, and repeats the process, at least until people catch on.

But yea, the combination of having a fishy image combined with no one suspecting you combined with being able to game select better makes MAing pretty darn profitable. That being said, MAing is a huge risk, and there's always a good chance Stars/FTP find out and close your account/confiscate your funds. So you have to be super careful about not leaving a lot in the account, etc.
How many complete unknowns are there that just deposit $30K one day and fire up 50/100?
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Old 07-22-2013, 08:48 PM   #66
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- Multiaccounting bad
- Durrr says "fkit"
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Old 07-22-2013, 08:49 PM   #67
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this gave me a sore head will read in stages lol
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Old 07-22-2013, 08:49 PM   #68
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Lots of people posting ITT without a clue.

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Old 07-22-2013, 09:11 PM   #69
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lol.
Please cite the evidence for your reasoning starting with the specific state or federal law which makes using someone else's account on an online poker site illegal, then on towards the various prosecutions we have seen to date for violations of the cited law and their outcomes.
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:24 PM   #70
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You can't see me because this is online poker, and you play in your bedroom. You're happy playing against a [masked ninja] on FTP.
I think you are turning this into a ghey thing now. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Look, if you want to wear a ninja mask and play hide the salami in your bedroom with the boys from the Y, thats your business. Go for it! Live and let live is what I say. Look, I have to go now my wife said she is giving me a tossed salad for dinner tonight. Geez, we have been married for 5 years and she should know that I don't even like salad.
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:30 PM   #71
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Please cite the evidence for your reasoning starting with the specific state or federal law which makes using someone else's account on an online poker site illegal, then on towards the various prosecutions we have seen to date for violations of the cited law and their outcomes.
He's correct as far as the proposed NJ regulations. One account allowed per licensee and only the person originating a valid account can use it.
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:33 PM   #72
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I think you are turning this into a ghey thing now. Not that there is anything wrong with that. Look, if you want to wear a ninja mask and play hide the salami in your bedroom with the boys from the Y, thats your business. Go for it! Live and let live is what I say. Look, I have to go now my wife said she is giving me a tossed salad for dinner tonight. Geez, we have been married for 5 years and she should know that I don't even like salad.
picture of salad and girl friend or it didn't happen
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:47 PM   #73
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He's correct as far as the proposed NJ regulations. One account allowed per licensee and only the person originating a valid account can use it.
Punishable by what? I only pursue the derail because if MAing isn't defined as a crime anywhere we can think of it bolsters what Durrr is arguing namely that it's an angle shoot however reprehensible and not cheating.
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Please cite the evidence for your reasoning starting with the specific state or federal law which makes using someone else's account on an online poker site illegal, then on towards the various prosecutions we have seen to date for violations of the cited law and their outcomes.
this isnt the wild wild west anymore. gaming violations are taken very seriously in nevada. if a player is violating the terms of service and takes another players money under false pretenses we will see court cases. how they will turn out? who knows... #justicefortrayvon .

Good luck going in front of a nevada jury and arguing that you lied about your identity and violated regulations but deserve to keep your winnings. lol.
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Old 07-22-2013, 09:55 PM   #75
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http://caselaw.findlaw.com/nv-suprem...t/1458113.html

I believe that was a strictly civil matter. Again, please cite a law which criminalizes MAing.
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