Hotmark, these scribts are not breaking the rules like multiaccounting, and are discussed at length in internet poker.

Fingerprint mouse for highstakes could stop close to all multiaccount cheating and is possible a no brainer solution for Pokerstars and FTP.

This methodology will not work but i applaud your lateral thinking.

They should be in the same way multi accounting does because it gives an unfair advantage to those who do and it is not available to everyone and as i pointed out how do you think that recreational player feels when he sits in and in 4 seconds his table fills up by what would most probably look like bots? And when he gets beaten silly lets see if he-she will redeposit

Sauce, what kinds of things do you think he is referring to in live games? Teams playing at the same table, private games where the house is cheating? Just curious as to what kinds of things he or you have encountered or heard about.

multiaccounter itt

Could ******* stop posting this ******* awful metaphor?

The only way it might be equivalent when playing live poker would be if the casino assigned a name tag to you that you had to wear un-obscured and COULD NOT BE CHANGED.

It is not even comparable to live unless you can change your user name on a daily basis.

If anything, screen names are there to make online poker more like live poker where you have some way to consistently identify your opponent.

I mean there are a million and one coolbros who conceal themselves by wearing sunglasses and a hoodie, but they're usually not considered a master of disguises to anyone who isn't a complete idiot, even if they all look alike on the surface there's still something fundamentally identifiable about a human sitting at a table with you.

That's closer to an angle than MA'ing could ever be.

If you want to be anonymous, pick a site that caters to that like that one piece of **** site we all know, where at least EVERYONE is enabled to enjoy that advantage.

But these *******s aren't picking that anon site because then they would lose their unfair informational advantage.

People forget that having consistent screen names appeals to a lot of fish who would be inherently distrustful of putting money online.

Also, this is a moot point, you don't have to police fish because you don't need to enforce this against fish, because they're fish.

Their money is going to be gone. They aren't going to be cashing in huge on an informational advantage except by dumb luck.

so if you were to play jungleman on another account that would be cool?

whats your definition of a fish?

wow. OK, first of all I didnt know I was insulting his intelligence. Please tell me how I did that? I apologize if I did though. That was not my intention. It's not like I thought that is the way he always writes. I obviously knew he was tilted while writing it.

I dont know exactly what happened to him. How much he was taken for, how long it was going, how brutal was the situation with his "friends" etc. But I assume he is not the only one who has been the vicitim of this, and I dont see others going mental. Again, I dont blame the guy for doing that. I can see where he is coming from. But I kind of assume once he cools off he realizes it was maybe not the best way to communicate about this issue.

"if given 1000 life times you wouldn't be the person he is"

What do you mean "be the person he is"? How do you value people in life? If you categorize them by financial success then you might be right. Although if I had 1000 tries I think I could have similar financial success as he has had.

Financial success means nothing to me when defining what kind of a person someone is. If it does to you then so be it, shows something about your character. I value basic values such as kindness and compassion over financial success. Being helpful and respectful towards other people takes a long way. If I can identify someones personal values in life I can make judgement on how I see that person. Martin could have all the characteristics to be an awesome person. I saw Bet-Raise-Fold and I have no reason to believe anything else but that he is a stand up guy with good values and moral guidelines. But you saying I wouldnt be the person he is if I had 1000 tries is ludicrous. I already could be the person he is. Or I could be far from it. You just dont know.

I probably shouldnt get as invested in this thread as I have, as I haven't personally be burned by multiaccounting. Not that I know of at least. I was derailed to this thread and happened to answer, looks like I shouldnt have :/

You dont seem to get the problem behind "Fish can do it, pros cant" thinking. Who should be policing who can or cant MA? Sites cannot do it, or it cant be expected from them (I think).It's a slippery slope situation which never ends well. Almost impossible to keep it fair.

good post

+1 * infinity!!!

Durrr seems right on this 1. these ******s want fingerprint scanners on our comps?! wooohooolololol. Pro's from training site hammering MAers...some ****ing nerve. Saying fish shouldn't be able to MA to protect their identity? Are you ****ing high? Oh yeah, we can't fade that slippery slope. what's the desired result here? we all hop on skype and in unison swear on our bibles that we won't MA? oh yeah, solution is fingerprint scanners and training site pros telling MAers they are scum lmaooo. anyone against MAing here share reads? Take pieces while in same room? tell friend when game is good to play?

+1, so sad that durrr the representative for FTP doesn't think MAing is cheat.

not sure why but i really am not getting the same vibe as a lot of people ITT from tom's posts. didn't seem like he was downplaying MAing at all, he was merely less vocal about its maliciousness imo. dont think he deserves all the hate here, albeit in his position maybe it would be smart of him to be among the more vocal condoners

It has been years since I've opened an account anywhere but I think all you need to start one is a valid email address. The further documentation (e.g. government-issued ID, utility bill to prove address) is not necessary until you withdraw your money.

i cant believe one fact .. that stars , ftp or any other room of top 4-5 .. besides Party Poker .. wouldnt know that someone is MAing

especially stars knows it 100%, they either dont look into it because they want the action ? free advertiing for them ..

I mean they ban account who chipdump 30$ and someone who get an advantage by MAing is able to cash out 6-7 figures? what kind of evidence cldnt be enough to not have him cashed out and giving the money back to the rightful owners

Its disgusting how few people do like its not a big deal.. do they cook not with water or why they got treated like superstars and can come away with everything

for everyone who thinks that is okay: it is stated clearly in ever ToS that Maing is forbidden at every room

This fish had position on me yesterday, I eventually had to change seats.



On a serious note, jungleman calling out grundy and then the lol 12:19 jungleman video, this thread is getting very popcorn worthy.

For what it's worth, I don't think anyone in this thread would disagree that it's prohibited in the sites' terms of service agreements. The majority of disagreements are over a) whether or not it should be prohibited at all, or b) whether it's technically "cheating" or just merely something you shouldn't do.

Oh, and on the subject of big-name players wearing a disguise, for some laughs (or eyerolls):
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...rance-1354840/

two things that are strange to me:

that so many people can be so wrong about why fish multiaccount. they ma for the same reasons that pros do. they are not ashamed of the money they lose, if anything they consider it a marker of their status in life. to be able to lose a lot of money = baller

that when you ask an american about cheating, he goes into what cheating is from his perspective. that was never relevant. whether something is cheating or not isn't determined by you, it's determined by the governing body. cheating to them is something they can never admit to doing, so they will change diction to avoid that... but the real question they're answering is how low they are willing to go for an advantage... just how far they are willing to bend their ethical compass.

Fortunately, they know they can make that money back from Cirque revenues.

Out of curiosity, what happens if you ask a non-American? I fail to see what nationality has to do with this.

This is quite wrong. You're assuming every high stakes fish is a young dude throwing thousands around in a club and crashing ferraris for fun. Do you think an educated professional, a successful businessman, or someone similar considers losing millions 'baller'?

In fact, I have a client who is an incredibly successful dentist- owns multiple practices, easily earns 6-7 million a year....he dabbles in poker here and there, never higher than 25-50 (though he could easily afford to), and he hates the fact that he loses money and people think he sucks. Successful people, more often than not, have a very strong sense of PRIDE

I like the change screen names per x amount of hands idea. Seems hard to argue against that as long as the site itself is decent at security (like I hope/assume stars is)

You're not smart. You also seem to have very little understanding of the issue. Combine these two and the result is that you should probably stop posting.

"Status" doesn't mean they want to be known as the guys losing 5-6-7 figure sums playing online poker. Perhaps they enjoy the 'status' of living in a nice neighborhood, having their kids at private schools, taking expensive vacations, etc...

Your definition of the value people place on wealth and status is incredibly narrow and narrow-minded.