Mike Postle cheating allegations (FAQ in first post)
09-29-2019
, 06:40 PM
Surprised nobody has jumped on this to post here...
On Twitter yesterday I believe Mike Postle is being accused of cheating on Livestream. Not much proof (that has been shown) besides a lot of speculative hands. Will link the YouTube videos below.
Thoughts? The lines he takes are absolutely absurd but I don't see how he could be pulling this off.
Mod edit: Here is a summary of Postle's sessions made by one of the many members who have spent tons of hours reviewing the Stones Live videos.
October 13, 2019 edit:
Post about lawsuit filing.
mod edit (oct 13, 2019): added another good "summary" post
Spreadsheet with information on Postle sessions:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2044248290
On Twitter yesterday I believe Mike Postle is being accused of cheating on Livestream. Not much proof (that has been shown) besides a lot of speculative hands. Will link the YouTube videos below.
Thoughts? The lines he takes are absolutely absurd but I don't see how he could be pulling this off.
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FAQ:
Q: Who is Mike Postle?
A: Mike Postle is a long time poker pro. He is suspected of having cheated at the video-streamed pokertable at Stones Gambling Hall in Sacramento
Q: How much money has Postle won from other players in these games?
A: Approximation is $250k (source https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1066 )
Q: How statistically deviant is his play?
A: Very. Some calculations put it as more unlikely than 1 to the number of atoms in the universe. See bb/100 vs VPIP graph: https://i.gyazo.com/9640d7665da6f5fb...c935334fbb.png (Source unknown)
Q: How do people think he cheated?
A: Likely via getting the exact holecards of his opponents relayed to his phone which he keeps very discretely between his legs while playing, and/or to bone conductive headphones hidden under his hat. This would likely require access to the actual live feed from the RFID/tech-room
Q: Who is Justin Kuraitis?
A: An employee and TD of Stones Gambling hall. He's responsible for the tech team that runs the livestream. He's for a multitude of reasons suspected to be Mike's possible inside man in the possible cheating scheme
Q: But Postle doesn't always win when he plays
A: True. He has had losing sessions on stream where he plays quite normally. They seem to coincide with Justin Kuraitis being out of town.
Q: Is the stream commentated on in real time when the play takes place, or on delay?
A: It's commented on delay, as all streams of this kind are. Only the RFID tech room has (read: should have) access to the actual live footage and hands. They then set up the graphics etc, and transmit that footage delayed to the commentary booth and viewers.
Q: Who is Taylor Smith?
A: Another tech team employee of Stones Live Casino. Some consider him suspect due to his involvement in correcting holecards for a crazy hand Mike played, among other things. It's still unclear what Mike's actual holecards were in that infamous hand (68o, or 89ss). T.S may be entirely innocent and should be treated as such, just as Postle and Kuraitis should be until found guilty in a court of law
Q: Why is this blowing wide open just now this week?
A: A former employee and commentator of the stream, @Angry_Polak, took to twitter. @joeingram1 took her allegations seriously, as opposed to many others she had previously raised her suspicions to, and then the ball started rolling
Further reading:
Longer cliff-notes/Summary: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1045
Pokernews links:
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...ames-35562.htm
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...tion-35584.htm
Local Fox40 news: https://fox40.com/2019/10/03/poker-w...g-allegations/
ESPN segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixqxi9Aq84Y
Joeingram (chicagojoey) youtube page with deep-going investigating of Mike's play: https://www.youtube.com/user/joeingram1/videos
Doug Polk video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kDtE9vrRiA
Q: Who is Mike Postle?
A: Mike Postle is a long time poker pro. He is suspected of having cheated at the video-streamed pokertable at Stones Gambling Hall in Sacramento
Q: How much money has Postle won from other players in these games?
A: Approximation is $250k (source https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1066 )
Q: How statistically deviant is his play?
A: Very. Some calculations put it as more unlikely than 1 to the number of atoms in the universe. See bb/100 vs VPIP graph: https://i.gyazo.com/9640d7665da6f5fb...c935334fbb.png (Source unknown)
Q: How do people think he cheated?
A: Likely via getting the exact holecards of his opponents relayed to his phone which he keeps very discretely between his legs while playing, and/or to bone conductive headphones hidden under his hat. This would likely require access to the actual live feed from the RFID/tech-room
Q: Who is Justin Kuraitis?
A: An employee and TD of Stones Gambling hall. He's responsible for the tech team that runs the livestream. He's for a multitude of reasons suspected to be Mike's possible inside man in the possible cheating scheme
Q: But Postle doesn't always win when he plays
A: True. He has had losing sessions on stream where he plays quite normally. They seem to coincide with Justin Kuraitis being out of town.
Q: Is the stream commentated on in real time when the play takes place, or on delay?
A: It's commented on delay, as all streams of this kind are. Only the RFID tech room has (read: should have) access to the actual live footage and hands. They then set up the graphics etc, and transmit that footage delayed to the commentary booth and viewers.
Q: Who is Taylor Smith?
A: Another tech team employee of Stones Live Casino. Some consider him suspect due to his involvement in correcting holecards for a crazy hand Mike played, among other things. It's still unclear what Mike's actual holecards were in that infamous hand (68o, or 89ss). T.S may be entirely innocent and should be treated as such, just as Postle and Kuraitis should be until found guilty in a court of law
Q: Why is this blowing wide open just now this week?
A: A former employee and commentator of the stream, @Angry_Polak, took to twitter. @joeingram1 took her allegations seriously, as opposed to many others she had previously raised her suspicions to, and then the ball started rolling
Further reading:
Longer cliff-notes/Summary: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1045
Pokernews links:
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...ames-35562.htm
https://www.pokernews.com/news/2019/...tion-35584.htm
Local Fox40 news: https://fox40.com/2019/10/03/poker-w...g-allegations/
ESPN segment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ixqxi9Aq84Y
Joeingram (chicagojoey) youtube page with deep-going investigating of Mike's play: https://www.youtube.com/user/joeingram1/videos
Doug Polk video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kDtE9vrRiA
Mod edit: Here is a summary of Postle's sessions made by one of the many members who have spent tons of hours reviewing the Stones Live videos.
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This document made by Utopia needs to go in the OP and is an absolute thing of beauty - notice the bottom tabs
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2044248290
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2044248290
Post about lawsuit filing.
Quote:
https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link...e-dc7d1610c53b
Mac VerStandig shared this. Interesting that Kasey Lyn Mills is there; the commentator that many thought was in on it. Surely if she was she wouldn't file against them
Mac VerStandig shared this. Interesting that Kasey Lyn Mills is there; the commentator that many thought was in on it. Surely if she was she wouldn't file against them
mod edit (oct 13, 2019): added another good "summary" post
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What if I told you that the exact win rate doesn't matter?
a) The dramatic change in behavior July 18th that coincided with a dramatic change in results.
b) Numerous occasions where Postle prompted other players to rescan their cards as if he knew the live feed had not picked them up.
c) The visible frustration of the PLO hand were the live feed was only picking up two cards.
d) The changing of the cards hand. How did anyone know the cards of mucked unseen hand were wrong in the middle of the hand?
e) The ability to shove when the opponent was weak, fold when strong time after time after time never getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
f) Almost identical hands played completely differently when the opponent was strong versus when they were weak. Example after Example. Never wrong.
g) The strange staring at the crotch, phone off the table behaviors, never exhibited in previous losing sessions.
h) The booth interview where he seemingly knows when and where the live stream cut off and came back on.
Notice not one single bit of these pieces of evidence have the slightest thing to do with exactly how much he won, how often he reloaded, did he rebuy, how much he added on, how much is exact win rate was, or if he tipped the waitress or not.
Doing all of the above, it doesn't even matter if he lost money overall, it doesn't matter what his exact to 6 decimal places win rate was, these all indicate that he was aware of the live stream in real time. He cheated.
a) The dramatic change in behavior July 18th that coincided with a dramatic change in results.
b) Numerous occasions where Postle prompted other players to rescan their cards as if he knew the live feed had not picked them up.
c) The visible frustration of the PLO hand were the live feed was only picking up two cards.
d) The changing of the cards hand. How did anyone know the cards of mucked unseen hand were wrong in the middle of the hand?
e) The ability to shove when the opponent was weak, fold when strong time after time after time never getting caught with his hand in the cookie jar.
f) Almost identical hands played completely differently when the opponent was strong versus when they were weak. Example after Example. Never wrong.
g) The strange staring at the crotch, phone off the table behaviors, never exhibited in previous losing sessions.
h) The booth interview where he seemingly knows when and where the live stream cut off and came back on.
Notice not one single bit of these pieces of evidence have the slightest thing to do with exactly how much he won, how often he reloaded, did he rebuy, how much he added on, how much is exact win rate was, or if he tipped the waitress or not.
Doing all of the above, it doesn't even matter if he lost money overall, it doesn't matter what his exact to 6 decimal places win rate was, these all indicate that he was aware of the live stream in real time. He cheated.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=2044248290
Last edited by R*R; 01-10-2020 at 04:42 AM.
Reason: add spreadsheet
09-29-2019
, 09:15 PM
09-29-2019
, 10:23 PM
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some very weird hands indeed, fold with QJ is out of this world especially given how sticky he seems to be with much weaker hands relatively speaking but so everytime seems to have the better hand when he does decide to be sticky
that said it's not impossible he's just a fish on a heater
that said it's not impossible he's just a fish on a heater
Doesn't seem that weird to me either
It's 3/4 pot and he's only ahead of JT. If Marle's a tight player it's an easy fold.I think it's plausible that someone who plays as recklessly as he does and seems to have the results he does could be cheating, I don't think "he tightens up against tight players" is much proof of anything.
09-29-2019
, 10:40 PM
09-30-2019
, 01:45 AM
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Mike Postle interview with Justin Kuraitis 1-23-2019 and some suspect hand reviews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuWuc4hHT-w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuWuc4hHT-w
09-30-2019
, 04:27 AM
