These 4-bets in position really wreck havok on the OOP raiser. If you 5 bet and get called it creates a 1:1 shove at the flop and a 2:1 call for the opponent. If they hit any piece of that flop (even just a pair) they're usually calling. I've seen it happening so many times lately that I really want to run the #s on it because the 5 bettor rarely check-folds at the flop and many times you see them getting called and having just 4 overcards.
Position Player with a flopped pair
Against overpair: 40/60
Against 4 paint: 65/35 to 70/30
Agaist overpair + inside wheel draw: 35/65
Against 3 paint + inside wheel draw: 55/45 to 60/40
Against 4 paint + flush draw: 55/45
Against 3 paint + inside wheel + flush draw: 42/58
Against overpair + flush draw + inside wheel: 26/74
a little tired i may have messed up a few #s but it gives everyone an idea
this just really seems to give the position player the complete advantage
Last edited by gradx; 07-31-2011 at 04:18 PM.