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Old 06-02-2012, 09:19 AM   #126
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

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Yeah, you're like 2 peas in a pod....WTF
Let's see some pics of him in the 80's before you rush to judgement.
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Old 06-02-2012, 09:22 AM   #127
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

In 5 years, when he gains 20 pounds and goes bald .... he'll look just like me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wW3zn...7&feature=plcp
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Old 06-02-2012, 09:24 AM   #128
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Pure luck, just like any donkament run gooder eg Selbst, Elky, Mercier et al
LOL, I admit I have read worse but not by much.
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Old 06-02-2012, 09:51 AM   #129
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I hereby put the curse on frankenberger. From this point on he will run below expectation rather than running way above like he has the last 2 years. Enjoy your downswing sir.
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Old 06-02-2012, 10:32 AM   #130
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

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The QQ hand pretty much shows he's oblivious to the concept of pot odds. Man, he must have worked hard on his game!

He clicks buttons based on his feels. His feels are probably naturally better than most people and he likes clicking raise, so when he runs good he can get a lot of chips and win.
Dont why i am bothering but i just find it so disrespectful and typical of jealous losers to berate winners in anything.

You are picking one hand of probably 25k he has played in the past few years and may have misplayed and even then it is from the comfort of your mums basement where you dont have all the metagame information that he may have had. You probably are like ZOMG QQ must be all in..

By your logic anyone can click raise run good get a lot of chips and win so why dont you do it ( oh yeah you are unlucky and never get good cards / any luck lol)

If some good MTT players came in here and said he is awful and gave some reasons i would listen but when it is just the same NVG tards that berate everything then who cares.

Maybe you could post some of your thoughts in MTT if you have so much to offer in giving opinions on MTT players.

But you people must have better things to do than debate why a winning player is so bad.

Get better maybe ?
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:11 PM   #131
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

Frankenberger is a hero for making Feldman cry like a little *****. Thank you Andy. you are a hero.
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:16 PM   #132
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

im surpried MIke sexton of all people chimed in with his rude comment.
as for frankenburger he had to have had a good reason, its like in a DON sng, it might be in your best interest on the bubble to fold AA because you are locked in but of course the whole table will want u to call to end it but, why should you put yourself at risk when you can fold to the gold?

bottom line we dont know the point system and andy had to have had a good reason
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:40 PM   #133
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im surpried MIke sexton of all people chimed in with his rude comment.
as for frankenburger he had to have had a good reason, its like in a DON sng, it might be in your best interest on the bubble to fold AA because you are locked in but of course the whole table will want u to call to end it but, why should you put yourself at risk when you can fold to the gold?

bottom line we dont know the point system and andy had to have had a good reason
I'm sure I had read he had already qualified so it didn't matter if he went bust with QQ?

People can dress it up however they like:

You weren't there so don't know the dynamic
Guy has won wpt titles
You are posting from your basement and can't beat 2nl (I'm not and I can fwiw)
Jealousy

The fact remains it was a terribly played hand but it's poker and better players than him have made mistakes.

His thought process is awful though and that's coming from Luke Schwartz a fellow pro who I'm sure doesn't live in his basement either.

But if I was Andy I wouldn't care what anyone else thinks. If he wants to improve I'm sure he can hire the best coaches around to work on his game with him. Maybe he already has.

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Old 06-02-2012, 02:59 PM   #134
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

Get Aces alot?
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:07 PM   #135
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im surpried MIke sexton of all people chimed in with his rude comment.
as for frankenburger he had to have had a good reason, its like in a DON sng, it might be in your best interest on the bubble to fold AA because you are locked in but of course the whole table will want u to call to end it but, why should you put yourself at risk when you can fold to the gold?

bottom line we dont know the point system and andy had to have had a good reason
Well of all players at the table Sexton wanted to see Timoshenko out the most, so thats why he was upset that AF basicly chip dumped 3/4 of his stack to Yev.
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Old 06-02-2012, 05:08 PM   #136
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

Using Frankenbergers after hand analysis should he also fold Aces in that spot?
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Old 06-02-2012, 06:32 PM   #137
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im surpried MIke sexton of all people chimed in with his rude comment.
as for frankenburger he had to have had a good reason, its like in a DON sng, it might be in your best interest on the bubble to fold AA because you are locked in but of course the whole table will want u to call to end it but, why should you put yourself at risk when you can fold to the gold?

bottom line we dont know the point system and andy had to have had a good reason
When you play poker with these buyins you just expect people to at least know the basics basics of the game. Mike was just shocked i mean you really dont see such a donkey play often in high buyin events. Though it is one of the worsed folds i ever seen it doesnt change the fact that Andy just have to be a good mtt player. He most likelly has alot of feel when he can bully people and that is probably more importand then to know some basic pot odds situations.
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Old 06-02-2012, 07:27 PM   #138
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Glantz can post whatever but that doesn't mean he's right. Unconventional play is one thing, but ******ed is another. But hey, AF has luckboxed a handful of tournaments, so he must be doing something right. Nobody ever does that without some serious talent.
Frankenberger may not be the most fundamentally sound poker player around, but at least he's conducted himself with class.

I hope he continues to run like Jesus, and thus provide continued entertainment from the haters.
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Old 06-02-2012, 07:29 PM   #139
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Well of all players at the table Sexton wanted to see Timoshenko out the most, so thats why he was upset that AF basicly chip dumped 3/4 of his stack to Yev.
That's true, I'm sure that's why Mike et al were "shocked" (putting it nicely) but his play.

Anyway, given how much money Frankenberger put into the pot already, I don't see how he can fold. If his reasoning was as he stated, he never should have 3-bet to the amount he did. It just doesn't make any sense.
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:49 PM   #140
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but at least he's conducted himself with class.
You must have missed the bit where he throws his toys out of his pram

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...hPzMsh4#t=420s
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Old 06-02-2012, 09:44 PM   #141
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That's true, I'm sure that's why Mike et al were "shocked" (putting it nicely) but his play.

Anyway, given how much money Frankenberger put into the pot already, I don't see how he can fold. If his reasoning was as he stated, he never should have 3-bet to the amount he did. It just doesn't make any sense.
It was a horrible play, getting 7-1 on a call, and so obvious that the other players accused him of chip-dumping.

There's 1000s of rich people like Frankenberger that play poker. The money means nothing to him. Nobody should be surprised that out of all poker players someone runs well. The only interesting thing about Frankenberger is that he can afford to buy into any tournament he wants.

Regarding the alternative strategy that Frankenberger plays: Everyone is free to try it. Put your money into the put getting poor pot odds and way behind and suck out. There's nothing complicated about it. It's an easy strategy to copy; I'm sure anyone can do it.
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Old 06-02-2012, 10:00 PM   #142
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

Feldman was very desperate in HU. Did he need 1st place prize so badly? Begging the Q after allins was mmm...weird.

And I understand Affleck's tears at WSOP ME, but this....
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Old 06-02-2012, 10:30 PM   #143
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Feldman was very desperate in HU. Did he need 1st place prize so badly? Begging the Q after allins was mmm...weird.

And I understand Affleck's tears at WSOP ME, but this....
Yeah when I watched it I actually wondered what the difference between 1st and 2nd money was.

Anyone know?
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Old 06-02-2012, 10:51 PM   #144
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Yeah when I watched it I actually wondered what the difference between 1st and 2nd money was.

Anyone know?
Few lines of coke at least. If you watch Feldman he seems like on another planet either he is a ****** or he was on something.
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Old 06-02-2012, 10:55 PM   #145
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Yeah when I watched it I actually wondered what the difference between 1st and 2nd money was.

Anyone know?
$35,000. Frankenberger won $100k, Feldman got $65k and a whole lot of tears for 2nd.
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Old 06-02-2012, 10:58 PM   #146
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Ridiculous lol
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Old 06-02-2012, 11:23 PM   #147
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

Frankenstein seems like a cool guy and he handles himself with class. On the other hand, his explanation for the QQ play makes literally zero sense and he does seem kind of fishy at times.

All of the fanbois swinging from the guy's nuts are pretty hilarious. NEWSFLASH: you don't need to have won a 10K event to criticize Frankenstein's play anymore than you need to be an ex-president to criticize Obama or Bush. The play of a given hand rises or falls based on the logic behind it, not on anything else.
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Old 06-02-2012, 11:41 PM   #148
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Frankenberger may not be the most fundamentally sound poker player around, but at least he's conducted himself with class.

I hope he continues to run like Jesus, and thus provide continued entertainment from the haters.
Yeah I agree on both points actually. If anything, this thread is a major glass tap. If AF can stop defending everything and realize he's sort of bad, he might turn into a really great player. He's definitely a smart guy with the capability. Variance, however, is a helluva drug.
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Old 06-03-2012, 03:09 AM   #149
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

You guys are so lol giving him advice on how to play, saying he is smart with the capability to be good if he listens to you guys etc ha ha...

Let me guess Mercier sucks as well and just runs good but would be better if he listened to NVG's advice on how to play.

Not fanboy as someone above states just staring open mouthed in a OMG way at some peoples arrogance / stupidity.

If only these luck boxes listened to NVG eh think what they could achieve...
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Old 06-10-2012, 04:59 PM   #150
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

Andy Frankenberger is doing it again @ the more skillful Event 17: $10,000 Pot-Limit Hold'em. 14 players left... How does he do it?!?

Read more: http://www.pokernews.com/live-report...d-em/chips.htm

other players still left include IVEY, DEEB, ESFANDIARI, LANDFISH
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