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Old 06-19-2012, 07:48 PM   #476
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

I've heard people say he's a winning poker player because he was a trader, but wasn't it the traders who screwed up the economy?
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:47 PM   #477
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

Every time I see his last name it makes me think of this http://youtu.be/bwLl0QzDLiE
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Old 06-19-2012, 09:56 PM   #478
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Every time I see his last name it makes me think of this http://youtu.be/bwLl0QzDLiE
Hmmmm.. It reminds me of this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc80tFJpTuo

Oh Rocky!
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Old 06-19-2012, 10:20 PM   #479
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I've heard people say he's a winning poker player because he was a trader, but wasn't it the traders who screwed up the economy?
Sounds like good poker to me. They freerolled the American taxpayer.
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Old 06-20-2012, 10:46 AM   #480
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

these threads amaze me.

guy who understands fundamentals of tournament poker at a high level, makes proper decisions consistently and probably runs a bit above expectation. Has some large scores and thus a bankroll and probably consistently staked.

What is so hard to figure out?
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Old 06-20-2012, 11:05 AM   #481
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guy who understands fundamentals of tournament poker at a high level, makes proper decisions consistently
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Old 06-20-2012, 11:38 AM   #482
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

This thread basically critiques Andy a lot, through four key points...

1) Live tourneys are rigged, loldonkaments, etc. Not a big enough sample size to prove skill...
--Ok, if so, then no US based player should be playing poker, correct? i.e. without a big enough sample size to ascertain skill, what's the point? Is every live pro that doesn't/can't play online and has success then just the beneficiary of variance? That's fine, but why is everyone wasting their time at the WSOP then? Just trying to buy lottery tickets with 52/48 edge I guess.

2) In order to better determine skill, one needs to look at thousands upon thousands of hands, and a detailed analysis of such hand histories...
--Again, sounds reasonable. Without online, you can't exactly do this; so ppl are left to look at live poker (i.e. televised) hand histories. In Andy's case, ppl have picked two hands that he played questionably, in a format that probably no one has played (i.e. Premier League pts system) and based on those two hands, have decided that he sucks at poker. Again, doesn't seem entirely consistent with the "let's look at his body of work" theme...

3) Andy acts like a "douchetard" at the table, shows emotion, fistpumps, has been defensive, etc.
--Not everyone's table manner is identical. i.e. he doesn't just sit there with a hoody and silently rake in chips. That said, even if he displays emotion, he has never berated people on tv, trash talked, or done anything other than get excited if he wins, and defend his play when he's being critiqued at the table or in the forums. Doesn't seem like that big a deal honestly, and to be fair, Andy walked away from a more plum gig than 99.9% of guys grinding poker, so the thought that he might take it more seriously, or be a bit defensive to justify his decision, makes a lot of sense imo...

4) He didn't have to "build his bankroll" like most guys, and just started taking shots at 10k's, b/c he was properly rolled from his Wall St. days
--Again, not true. He actually started grinding like AC/regional events, had a few min-cashes/semi-deep runs, and then won a Venetian Deep Stack for like 160k. It was at that point, and not before that, when he started playing 5k's and 10k's. I'm not saying that he couldn't have afforded to play them otherwise, and that he doesn't have a bankroll to have played them if he hadn't binked the Deep Stack; however, he did "work his way up" in buy-ins, and arguably, could be playing poker from that bankroll alone, with maybe a slight cushion from "real life earnings" behind...

And if no one cares what I have to say, b/c I'll be labeled a "fanboy" just like everyone else is a "troll", listen to Olivier Busquet's interview on the latest 2p2Pokercast, who does a much better job of explaining why this Andy hatred is excessive and ridiculous...
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Old 06-20-2012, 11:48 AM   #483
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these threads amaze me.

guy who understands fundamentals of tournament poker at a high level, makes proper decisions consistently and probably runs a bit above expectation. Has some large scores and thus a bankroll and probably consistently staked.

What is so hard to figure out?
sentence structure
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Old 06-20-2012, 02:00 PM   #484
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wrote the sentence incorrectly, you know what i mean. I don't like dogs.
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Old 06-20-2012, 03:00 PM   #485
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wrote the sentence incorrectly, you know what i mean. I don't like dogs.
my gripe was not with the phrasing of the sentence...
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Old 06-20-2012, 06:42 PM   #486
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This thread basically critiques Andy a lot, through four key points...

1) Live tourneys are rigged, loldonkaments, etc. Not a big enough sample size to prove skill...
--Ok, if so, then no US based player should be playing poker, correct? i.e. without a big enough sample size to ascertain skill, what's the point? Is every live pro that doesn't/can't play online and has success then just the beneficiary of variance? That's fine, but why is everyone wasting their time at the WSOP then? Just trying to buy lottery tickets with 52/48 edge I guess.

2) In order to better determine skill, one needs to look at thousands upon thousands of hands, and a detailed analysis of such hand histories...
--Again, sounds reasonable. Without online, you can't exactly do this; so ppl are left to look at live poker (i.e. televised) hand histories. In Andy's case, ppl have picked two hands that he played questionably, in a format that probably no one has played (i.e. Premier League pts system) and based on those two hands, have decided that he sucks at poker. Again, doesn't seem entirely consistent with the "let's look at his body of work" theme...

3) Andy acts like a "douchetard" at the table, shows emotion, fistpumps, has been defensive, etc.
--Not everyone's table manner is identical. i.e. he doesn't just sit there with a hoody and silently rake in chips. That said, even if he displays emotion, he has never berated people on tv, trash talked, or done anything other than get excited if he wins, and defend his play when he's being critiqued at the table or in the forums. Doesn't seem like that big a deal honestly, and to be fair, Andy walked away from a more plum gig than 99.9% of guys grinding poker, so the thought that he might take it more seriously, or be a bit defensive to justify his decision, makes a lot of sense imo...

4) He didn't have to "build his bankroll" like most guys, and just started taking shots at 10k's, b/c he was properly rolled from his Wall St. days
--Again, not true. He actually started grinding like AC/regional events, had a few min-cashes/semi-deep runs, and then won a Venetian Deep Stack for like 160k. It was at that point, and not before that, when he started playing 5k's and 10k's. I'm not saying that he couldn't have afforded to play them otherwise, and that he doesn't have a bankroll to have played them if he hadn't binked the Deep Stack; however, he did "work his way up" in buy-ins, and arguably, could be playing poker from that bankroll alone, with maybe a slight cushion from "real life earnings" behind...

And if no one cares what I have to say, b/c I'll be labeled a "fanboy" just like everyone else is a "troll", listen to Olivier Busquet's interview on the latest 2p2Pokercast, who does a much better job of explaining why this Andy hatred is excessive and ridiculous...
Well reasoned and very good post imo. Screw the haters/jellies.
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Old 06-26-2012, 01:37 PM   #487
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

thought this was a good article. http://espn.go.com/poker/story/_/id/...ics-once-again
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:26 AM   #488
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

Haters bounce, PLO8 edition:

https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=h...OD1(chips).pdf
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:51 PM   #489
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

5 Cashes at this years WSOP, and currently 4th in chips in Event 47. I hope he nozzles another bracelet and sends all the haters into a frenzy. Go Andy!
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:17 PM   #490
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...-43-a-1215927/

what a classy guy... [ ]
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Old 05-27-2014, 11:08 AM   #491
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

whatever happened to this guy?
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Old 05-27-2014, 11:13 AM   #492
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

he played Borgata Winter Poker Open and the LAPC this year

he will be at the WSOP this summer no doubt

Just because someone isn't in the headlines every day doesn't mean they disappeared
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Old 05-27-2014, 11:15 AM   #493
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he played Borgata Winter Poker Open and the LAPC this year

he will be at the WSOP this summer no doubt

Just because someone isn't in the headlines every day doesn't mean they disappeared

Never said he disappeared. Just wondering where he's at now that his heater ran out.
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Old 05-27-2014, 11:26 AM   #494
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

next time you wonder one of these things try checking out their hendon mob and twitter first...
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Old 05-28-2014, 04:27 AM   #495
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Ouch less than 20k in cashes in 2013 and plays every event.
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Old 05-28-2014, 08:25 AM   #496
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

So most of us were correct then that his "unique style" was infact just a ridic heater?

Thought so.....
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Old 05-12-2015, 12:04 AM   #497
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

Shudder to think how much money this guy has lost since 2012. Form is temporary.
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Old 05-12-2015, 11:52 AM   #498
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

Frankenburger 4bet to 80% of his stack and folded to a preflop jam w QQ. Claudico raisefolded turn in a 3b pot to 80% stack and folded to a jam w KdTh on Td 7d 3d 2h. Clearly Frankerbarger plays close to the GTO and clearly this thread is full of jealous haters who can't understand the GTO play when they see it. Frankenbirger is so far ahead of you guys it's ridic. Just because he hasn't cashed in 3 years doesn't mean he's not the GTO. He is in fact superior with his GTO play. Label it unorthodox, label it weird, label it fishy...Frankenberger is the best of all time, maybe even better than Ivey.
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Old 05-12-2015, 12:29 PM   #499
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He rebounded in 2014 with over 100k in cashes.
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Old 05-12-2015, 02:28 PM   #500
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He rebounded in 2014 with over 100k in cashes.
But how much did he lose?
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