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Old 06-13-2012, 01:51 AM   #426
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

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So what if he's on a heater? Anyone who makes feldman cry like a little prepubescent schoolgirl is alright in my book.

^^ Best post in this thread (solely because of a great skit)
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Old 06-13-2012, 04:24 AM   #427
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This.

If Frankenberger was in the Business/Finance forum owning people about derivatives trading (or whatever it was he did) everyone would be on his nuts.
The equivalent would be everyone wondering how the hell he got a bonus after telling everyone to buy stock in Lehman Bros.
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Old 06-13-2012, 04:28 AM   #428
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

Dave Chappelle is good at comedy, and Frankerberger is good at Poker. Lol
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Old 06-13-2012, 06:32 AM   #429
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

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"Hey Phil," Jean-Robert Bellande just said as he started a story he could hardly tell because of how hard he was already laughing.

"So I just put on Twitter that I'm really short in the Omaha eight-or-better tournament and that I'm sitting next to the best player in the world and this guy replies to me," Bellande added to his story while still having a hard time controlling his laughter.

Ivey was waiting for what was to come and Bellande said, "So he says, 'Tell Frankenberger I said hello,'" and the whole table bursted out in laughter.
Even Ivey, who was recently beaten heads up by Andy Frankenberger was laughing. The atmosphere is this tournament is great since nobody seems to feel any pressure from the money bubble yet. We are still 20 more spots away from cashing, something we probably won't get done today.
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:02 AM   #430
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

^^

Poor Frankenberger, everyone`s humiliating him...
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:23 AM   #431
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

I was needling Ivey, how is that an insult to Frankenburger?
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Old 06-13-2012, 08:52 AM   #432
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

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"Hey Phil," Jean-Robert Bellande just said as he started a story he could hardly tell because of how hard he was already laughing.

"So I just put on Twitter that I'm really short in the Omaha eight-or-better tournament and that I'm sitting next to the best player in the world and this guy replies to me," Bellande added to his story while still having a hard time controlling his laughter.

Ivey was waiting for what was to come and Bellande said, "So he says, 'Tell Frankenberger I said hello,'" and the whole table bursted out in laughter.
Even Ivey, who was recently beaten heads up by Andy Frankenberger was laughing. The atmosphere is this tournament is great since nobody seems to feel any pressure from the money bubble yet. We are still 20 more spots away from cashing, something we probably won't get done today.
hahaha awesome
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Old 06-13-2012, 09:32 AM   #433
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I was needling Ivey, how is that an insult to Frankenburger?
Now you just added to the insult by spelling his name wrong, lol...
The tweet itself was ok though...
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Old 06-13-2012, 09:44 AM   #434
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How many of us won at poker before we learned what the hell we were doing? It's prob how most of us became attracted to the game.
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Old 06-13-2012, 09:45 AM   #435
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

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Wall Street Veteran Becomes Latest Financial Pro to Claim Success on the Felt


"A lot of people think that I just get lucky," he said.

Mr. Frankenberger credits his trading background for his success in poker.
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:00 PM   #436
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Can anyone estimate Andy's Roi?


I'm too lazy to format it, but here are the 47 tournaments:

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GameID	Date (EDT)	Type	EntryFee	Position	Profit
 WSOP 2012 Event 17 	 8-Jun-12  03:00 	 PL Holdem   	$9,400	1/179	$435,899
 WSOP 2012 Event 16 No-Limit Holdem / Six Handed 	 7-Jun-12  03:00 	 NL Holdem   	$1,350	79/1604	$2,397
 WSOP 2012 Event 14 	 6-Jun-12  03:00 	 NL Holdem   	$1,350	-/1138	-$1,500
 WSOP 2012 Event 13 	 5-Jun-12  03:00 	 NL Holdem   	$1,350	-/730	-$1,500
 WSOP 2012 Event 12 Heads Up No-Limit Holdem 	 5-Jun-12  03:00 	 NL Holdem   	$9,400	-/152	-$10,000
 WSOP 2012 Event 11 	 4-Jun-12  03:00 	 PL Omaha   	$1,350	-/970	-$1,500
 WSOP 2012 Event 9 No-Limit Holdem Re-entry 	 3-Jun-12  03:00 	 NL Holdem   	$0 R	-/2431	-$1,500
 WSOP 2012 Event 8 	 1-Jun-12  13:55 	 PL Omaha H/L   	$1,350	-/967	-$1,500
 WSOP 2012 Event 6 No-Limit Holdem Mixed Max 	 31-May-12  03:00 	 NL Holdem   	$4,700	-/409	-$5,000
 WSOP 2012 Event 3 Heads Up No-Limit Holdem / Pot-Limit Omaha 	 29-May-12  14:03 	 M HO   	$2,730	6/319	$25,409
 WSOP 2012 Event 2 	 28-May-12  13:33 	 NL Holdem   	$1,350	-/2101	-$1,500
 WPT Season X Bay 101 Shooting Star 	 9-Mar-12  15:00 	 NL Holdem   	$9,500	-/176	-$10,000
 WPT Season X WPT Prague 	 5-Dec-11  03:00 	 NL Holdem   	€3,200	-/157	-€3,500
 WPT Season X WPT Jacksonville 	 22-Nov-11  15:00 	 NL Holdem   	$3,500	-/328	-$3,500
 WSOP 2011 Event 58 No-Limit Holdem Championship 	 9-Nov-11  11:56 	 NL Holdem   	$9,401.44	-/6865	-$10,000
 WPT Season X World Poker Finals 	 1-Nov-11  15:00 	 NL Holdem   	$9,700	5/189	$89,585
 WPT Season X Borgata Poker Open 	 23-Sep-11  03:00 	 NL Holdem   	$3,300	-/1094	-$3,500
 WPT Season X Legends of Poker 	 30-Aug-11  15:00 	 NL Holdem   	$0 R	18/642	$15,071.87
 WSOP 2011 Event 50 Triple Chance 	 3-Jul-11  21:02 	 NL Holdem   	$4,700	-/817	-$5,000
 WSOP 2011 Event 48 	 2-Jul-11  12:44 	 NL Holdem   	$1,350	-/2713	-$1,500
 WSOP 2011 Event 46 Six Handed Championship 	 1-Jul-11  15:00 	 NL Holdem   	$9,400	-/474	-$10,000
 WSOP 2011 Event 40 No-Limit Holdem Six Handed 	 29-Jun-11  01:39 	 NL Holdem   	$4,700	-/732	-$5,000
 WSOP 2011 Event 38 	 29-Jun-11  01:38 	 NL Holdem   	$1,350	-/2192	-$1,500
 WSOP 2011 Event 39 	 25-Jun-11  12:38 	 PL HO   	$2,275	-/606	-$2,500
 WSOP 2011 Event 37 HORSE Championship 	 25-Jun-11  12:37 	 FL HORSE   	$9,400	-/240	-$10,000
 WSOP 2011 Event 36 	 25-Jun-11  12:34 	 NL Holdem   	$2,275	-/1734	-$2,500
 WSOP 2011 Event 28 	 19-Jun-11  12:01 	 NL Holdem   	$1,350	1/2500	$597,653
 WSOP 2011 Event 26 No-Limit Holdem Six Handed 	 19-Jun-11  03:30 	 NL Holdem   	$2,275	-/1378	-$2,500
 WSOP 2011 Event 24 	 17-Jun-11  17:04 	 NL Holdem   	$4,700	-/387	-$5,000
 WSOP 2011 Event 12 Triple Chance No-Limit Holdem 	 10-Jun-11  16:26 	 NL Holdem   	$1,350	-/1340	-$1,500
 WSOP 2011 Event 10 No-Limit Holdem Six Handed 	 9-Jun-11  18:31 	 NL Holdem   	$1,350	-/1920	-$1,500
 WSOP 2011 Event 9 No-Limit 2-7 Draw Lowball 	 7-Jun-11  16:45 	 NL 2-7 Single Draw   	$1,350	-/275	-$1,500
 WSOP 2011 Event 7 Pot-Limit Holdem Championship 	 6-Jun-11  12:15 	 PL Holdem   	$9,400	-/249	-$10,000
 WSOP 2011 Event 4 	 5-Jun-11  23:23 	 NL Holdem   	$4,700	-/865	-$5,000
 WPT Season IX WPT World Championship 	 20-May-11  03:00 	 NL Holdem   	$25,000	-/221	-$25,500
 WPT Season IX Seminole Hard Rock Showdown 	 2-May-11  03:00 	 NL Holdem   	$9,600	-/432	-$10,000
 WPT Season IX Hollywood Poker Open 	 13-Apr-11  03:00 	 NL Holdem   	$9,600	-/80	-$10,000
 WPT Season IX WPT Vienna 	 29-Mar-11  03:00 	 NL Holdem   	€3,200	-/554	-€3,500
 WPT Season IX Bay 101 Shooting Star 	 18-Mar-11  15:00 	 NL Holdem   	$9,500	-/414	-$10,000
 WPT Season IX L.A. Poker Classic 	 3-Mar-11  03:00 	 NL Holdem   	$9,600	50/681	$16,800
 WPT Season IX WPT Celebrity Invitational 	 20-Feb-11  03:00 	 NL Holdem   	$0	-/218	$0
 WPT Season IX Southern Poker Championship 	 27-Jan-11  03:00 	 NL Holdem   	$9,700	-/214	-$10,000
 WPT Season IX Five Diamond World Poker Classic 	 8-Dec-10  03:00 	 NL Holdem   	$10,000	16/437	$23,485
 WPT Season IX Foxwoods World Poker Finals 	 2-Nov-10  03:00 	 NL Holdem   	$9,700	-/238	-$10,000
 WPT Season IX Festa al Lago 	 20-Oct-10  03:00 	 NL Holdem   	$10,000	5/338	$150,900
 WPT Season IX Borgata Poker Open 	 23-Sep-10  15:00 	 NL Holdem   	$3,300	-/251	-$3,500
 WPT Season IX Legends of Poker 	 25-Aug-10  15:00 	 NL Holdem   	$4,800	1/383	$745,000
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:17 PM   #437
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

even if it's just a heater, it's a great one!
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Old 06-13-2012, 02:22 PM   #438
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

1296% is the new 100.
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Old 06-13-2012, 02:52 PM   #439
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It's easy to critique him because we see his hole cards because he makes so damn many final tables.
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Old 06-13-2012, 03:09 PM   #440
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It's not the critic who counts.
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Old 06-13-2012, 03:09 PM   #441
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I'm guessing a deal with satan.
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Old 06-13-2012, 03:11 PM   #442
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1296 is obv sustainable for Andy. Does anyone know how many bb deep they were when HU started
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Old 06-13-2012, 03:24 PM   #443
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About 25bb effective at the start iirc. They were roughly even in chips to start. Blinds raised a few hands in making it more like 20 effective.
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Old 06-13-2012, 03:35 PM   #444
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jesus im not a bad person but i ****** hate this frankendonker

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Old 06-13-2012, 04:28 PM   #445
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So any live pro's success cannot be accurately related to his skill. Sorry Mr. Hellmuth, NVG is not impressed.

I guess the whole WSOP is meaningless for determining who is a good player. Never mind POTY.

So how do we determine who is good and/or the best?
The short answer - we don't. Obviously the better a player is the more likely they are to win bracelets, but it would be insane to assume that only good players win bracelets, or that there are no good players who don't have bracelets.

Tournament poker variance is huge. If you think the WSOP exists for the purpose of determining who the best players are, you're deluded. Go play 20,000 online MTTs and see if you still think the best players always win over a 1,000-game or even a 5,000-game sample.
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Old 06-13-2012, 04:53 PM   #446
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The short answer - we don't. Obviously the better a player is the more likely they are to win bracelets, but it would be insane to assume that only good players win bracelets, or that there are no good players who don't have bracelets.

Tournament poker variance is huge. If you think the WSOP exists for the purpose of determining who the best players are, you're deluded. Go play 20,000 online MTTs and see if you still think the best players always win over a 1,000-game or even a 5,000-game sample.
Conversely you could make the argument that all the "sick live pros" are nothing more than fish on a heater. If Phil Ivey's or Phil Helmuth's lifetime achievements in the live arena are indicative of absolutley nothing in terms of absolute skill, then anyone can claim that any one pro's success is completely based on dumb luck.

I'm actually sick and tired of the following:

Recognized NVG loved Pro wins a tourney: "It's 100% skill and they are God and this is evident in their 30 tourney wins"
Intelligent Avid Player/Pro wins a tourney: "Fish on heater, a monkey could win 10 tournies in a row, go play online 100,000,000 tournies and then talk to me"

It's the same canned responses every time. Even when a player has good explanations and rationalizations behind unconventional moves, people don't even want to hear it, axe is already in the car and they are out for blood. And quit comparing live MTT's to online MTT's; just by the fact that the sample size is miniscule relative to online MTT's, live mtt's are completely different in nature to online tournies.
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Old 06-13-2012, 04:55 PM   #447
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F-R-A-N-K-E-N-C-R-U-S-H-E-R
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Old 06-13-2012, 04:55 PM   #448
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

Well apparently according to bloomberg 2 minutes ago he just won the World series.
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Old 06-13-2012, 05:00 PM   #449
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So any live pro's success cannot be accurately related to his skill. Sorry Mr. Hellmuth, NVG is not impressed.

I guess the whole WSOP is meaningless for determining who is a good player. Never mind POTY.

So how do we determine who is good and/or the best?
I'm impressed he even won 1 bracelet


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I'm too lazy to format it, but here are the 47 tournaments:
So he did win the first live mtt he ever played in 2010. That was the pro heavy WPT Legends of Poker. Helmuth never won a WTP. He then went on to win the WPT player of the year. If that wasn't impressive enough he won back to back wsop bracelet since then and the premier league on the side where is competed with all the best players in the world. I'm kinda impressed with his short hall of fame carrier, however he does it.

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Old 06-13-2012, 05:13 PM   #450
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

Methinks we got some successful online cash game players who are a little jealous of these live pros -EV plays in tournaments. Why the hate? Yeh they are far richer than you, get sponsored, get free t-shirts, and are multi-millionaires. But in the long run we'll all be dead anyway.
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