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Old 06-12-2012, 05:30 PM   #401
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

also i know this is slightly off topic but i see my gif got totally messed up when i resized - anyway to correct this?
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:51 PM   #402
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Saying this guy is good at poker is like saying someone who gets hit twice by lightning is good at conducting electricity.

Guy sucks really really bad.
To be struck by lightning twice all you gotta do is stand out in the open in a place where they have lightning on a reg basis. Are you game?
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:13 PM   #403
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inb4 lightning strikes
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:20 PM   #404
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Can anyone estimate Andy's Roi?
Rough estimate is '*** NVG'.

Last edited by MikkeD; 06-12-2012 at 06:21 PM. Reason: J/K - He seems far too polite to tell NVG to go forth and multiply with themselves.
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:38 PM   #405
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

I hope Shaun effin Deeb is going to post itt. I want to hear from someone who actually played him lately and who is also a pro.
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Old 06-12-2012, 06:49 PM   #406
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So because Phil Ivey likely made enough money from Full Tilt proceeds to never have to work another day in his life, he is now just a retired person who loves to play poker.

Just because you have a lot of money, doesn't cease from making you a professional at whatever you dedicate your time to making more money at.

Are Arnold Schwarzenneger, Al Franken, Ronald Reagen or Jesse Ventura not professional politicians, just because they had already made a lot of money in entertainment?

Martha Stewart was a successful stockbroker before she became an author and TV personality.

Kal Penn Made great money as Kumar in the Harold and Kumar series but now works professionally as a White House liaison.

Is U. of Florida basketball coach Billy Donovan not a professional coach because he used to be a successful Wall Street banker?
LOL horrible analogies
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:26 PM   #407
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

I dont understand the random hate on here sometimes.

The guy is playing well and running great. Like every other person that wins these things.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:12 PM   #408
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

Would you guys consider Andy Beal a poker player?
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:18 PM   #409
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Hate Frankenberger

Makes Feldman cry
Shows bluffs to Ivey
Enrages NVG

Love Frankenberger
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:46 PM   #410
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Nice haiku level. Made me count syllables.
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:55 PM   #411
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As a live pro he probably plays about 100 tournaments a year, at that rate its entirely conceivable that he could run like God his entire life. The "it's not variance" argument is invalid, it can always be variance. The guy obviously knows how to play, but he seems to do some pretty bad livepro stuff. Don't think I'd back him to beat online MTTs at a $100 ABI over 10,000 games.

EDIT: Also the way he's apparently been celebrating a lot, showing bluffs to Ivey etc probably means his ego's been a bit hurt by the criticism lately and he feels like winning one tourney will validate him. However much tilt you're on showing Ivey your bluffs is obviously really dumb.
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this
This?

So any live pro's success cannot be accurately related to his skill. Sorry Mr. Hellmuth, NVG is not impressed.

I guess the whole WSOP is meaningless for determining who is a good player. Never mind POTY.

So how do we determine who is good and/or the best?
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:58 PM   #412
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nice post game interview, very well said

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=GHs7-LebNVg
He says that Ivey was difficult to play against because he plays differently than the other players.

Interesting.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:03 PM   #413
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Andy Frankenberger is not a pro?...

oh.

You mean like: Vietnam was not a war.

As in completely absurd semantical BS.

Gotcha

Wins millions in a multitude of venues..
Has multiple WSOP bracelets..
Conducts himself with class..
Was WPT player of the year..
Beat Ivey HU by pwning him..

I guess I don't want to be a pro either then.
Where did i say that he is not a pro?
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:10 PM   #414
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So any live pro's success cannot be accurately related to his skill. Sorry Mr. Hellmuth, NVG is not impressed.
Not for live donkaments.

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I guess the whole WSOP is meaningless for determining who is a good player.
That is a pretty solid guess.

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Never mind POTY.
LOL @ POTY. Unless you really believe the best player in the world changes every year based on a few tournament binks?

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So how do we determine who is good and/or the best?
Large sample results, evaluating their play from a technical perspective, and considering the opinions of their peers / other top-level players.
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:19 AM   #415
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

Fack playing for the long term. Play for now. And win NOW. Not in some "long run" distant future when ur faackin 90 years old. A lot of the Sklansky disciples just don't "get" tournament poker - it's ALL math to them. It IS about gambling it up, not fold, fold, fold, stndrd, stndrd, stdrd, etc.

U go Andy Frankenberger, keep crushing it. You are now my favorite poker player.
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:23 AM   #416
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoQHA...feature=relmfu

To those of you saying the haters are just using the QQ fold to show he's a bad player, the evidence is in other videos of his poor play and simply awful acting. He does the amateur donk bet so often in this episode and always manages to find a slightly worse hand to call. Hits all his outs, makes every flush/flops every top pair etc.

I don't berate other players for winning. Even guys like Will Failla have a game that online guys don't really agree with but I still respect his play to some degree. I just don't understand how Frankenberger is so successful when he doesn't even know the basics. I really think this is just a once in a blue moon heater.

By the way, the hand starting at 9:05 is HILARIOUS. Better than the QQ fold in terms of pure cringeworthy hilarity.
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:38 AM   #417
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^^ had me loling
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Old 06-13-2012, 12:58 AM   #418
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In the past I would've taken great pleasure in attacking someone like Frankenberger. But I can honestly say at this point that I think people like him are great. My entire livelihood is based on the fact that in poker people who don't seem to posses what most of us would consider a more theoretically sound approach to the game can still compete and win at the highest levels.* If people like Frankenberger never win at this game (assuming he truly is just on a heater and not a savant or the biggest level/image hustle in poker history) then we would all starve.
Hate to QFT my own post, but, QFT.

This thread is just dumb. re: that link you posted, it's a WPT final table, wtf do you expect? Everyone knows tournaments and TV tournaments are just poker for the masses. Newsflash: sometimes people who win tournaments aren't as good as durrr. People being bad at poker is actually a good thing, believe it or not, are we probably shouldn't berate them for it.
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Old 06-13-2012, 01:02 AM   #419
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The AK hand is indeed hilarious. The string raise on the flop and then the speech with absolute nuts is classic. But I will still give him some slack if this was his first live tournament he ever played
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Old 06-13-2012, 01:22 AM   #420
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This?

So any live pro's success cannot be accurately related to his skill. Sorry Mr. Hellmuth, NVG is not impressed.

I guess the whole WSOP is meaningless for determining who is a good player. Never mind POTY.

So how do we determine who is good and/or the best?
welcome to reality
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Old 06-13-2012, 01:26 AM   #421
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

How is that reality. Its a joke!!
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Old 06-13-2012, 01:28 AM   #422
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"I guess the whole WSOP is meaningless for determining who is a good player. Never mind POTY."

You seriously wrote that without even a touch of irony?

Last edited by Keyser.; 06-13-2012 at 01:51 AM. Reason: wait, it obv is sarcastic, thus there's some irony, but if your intended point is not ironic, then hmmm lol
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Old 06-13-2012, 01:41 AM   #423
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How is that reality. Its a joke!!
yes, live poker tournaments are a joke.
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Old 06-13-2012, 01:48 AM   #424
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I really hope a video surfaces of Frankenberger showing Ivey his bluffs. Would ****ing love to see that. I didn't see the stream.
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Old 06-13-2012, 01:51 AM   #425
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I really hope a video surfaces of Frankenberger showing Ivey his bluffs. Would ****ing love to see that. I didn't see the stream.
The final table streams are being archived and will be available at some point (they're not available yet).
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