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Old 06-12-2012, 01:56 AM   #351
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

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He is obviously a decent player but he isnt a pro poker players.He plays poker and has success early on but with his skill icant see it lasting too long.
would be interested to hear how people can argue Andy isn't a pro. He quit his job and does this fulltime for a living now. Other than the fact he actually had a job for 14 years after graduating university, how does it make him any less of a pro than any one else on the circuit?

Because he isn't a college dropout? because he isn't a 2+2er? Because he didn't lesrn the game playing 2 million hands online? Because he isn't a degen?

Say what you want about his style or how well he's running but to say he's not a pro seems just wrong. This is what he does full time now and with 2.4m in winnings is clearly paying the bills.
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:11 AM   #352
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

And +1 to whoever said that Andy is being critized over about 3-4 poorly played hands

However though I would hate to look back at how I played some hands when I first started playing. I imagine I wouldve made terrible folds/bluffs/calls and wouldve looked extremely foolish. And at the time I wouldve had my own reasons why I thought what I did was right. This is the same for probably 99.9% of players when first starting out

The difference is we started at 1/2 or 25NL or $5 sngs while Andy started on the WPT because he obviously was fairly well off doing a job that 99.99% of the haters couldnt comprehend or do. We were forgiven and forgot about how bad we were but Andy will forever be remembered.

Being new at the game, the amount you learn in the firs 2 years is phenomenal. You could look at how you played a hand a month ago and think man how stupid was I, then think the exact same thing a month later about how you played then.

Theres no way Andy would fold that QQ now. He certainly isnt at that level of thinking, but back then he had the bankroll and noriety to get a spot on that table.

Berger is probably the most balanced and respectable individual in the poker world at the moment.
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:48 AM   #353
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

i once donked 2 5k+ runner tournaments in the same night, only 2 I registered for. won both. coincidence? yes. week after that i FT'd the sunday 10$ or whatever it was back then when it had 10k runners. won a few other 2k+ runner micro tourneys in the same time period. I was ****ing terrible. heaters do happen.

and yea i equate micro tourney play to the play you usually see at these things. jfc what has this game become though... that qq hand made me physically ill
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Old 06-12-2012, 02:54 AM   #354
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I once FT'ed 3 consecutive 12/180's
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:01 AM   #355
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Theres no way Andy would fold that QQ now. He certainly isnt at that level of thinking, but back then he had the bankroll and noriety to get a spot on that table.
pretty sure I wouldn't have folded the QQ the first time I ever played poker
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:19 AM   #356
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completely unwarranted?
I won't go so far to say i hate him but he does come across as a bit of a jerk
Jerk for making a 100% valid point?
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:24 AM   #357
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And there's a decent chance that he'll continue to have success while every wannabe sits around saying "lol standard" every time they bust from a tourney because they saw someone do the same thing in a 3 year old Cardrunners video.
Hahaha so true.
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:28 AM   #358
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

So Frankerburger was getting something like 7/1 to call there and folds. I wonder with what price he would have called with. That is just an incredible hand
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:38 AM   #359
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would be interested to hear how people can argue Andy isn't a pro. He quit his job and does this fulltime for a living now. Other than the fact he actually had a job for 14 years after graduating university, how does it make him any less of a pro than any one else on the circuit?

Because he isn't a college dropout? because he isn't a 2+2er? Because he didn't lesrn the game playing 2 million hands online? Because he isn't a degen?

Say what you want about his style or how well he's running but to say he's not a pro seems just wrong. This is what he does full time now and with 2.4m in winnings is clearly paying the bills.
If he made enough money from his job that he never has to work a day again in his life, which in the business he was in is a possibility, I think its pretty reasonable and/or accurate to not call him a pro. He'd just be a retired person who loves to play tournament poker and is crushing it. Imo.
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:58 AM   #360
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nice post game interview, very well said

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=GHs7-LebNVg
He comes off very well in that interview. Is he a fish on a heater? Sure. Is it good for poker? Absolutely. He is personable, intelligent, and he just beat Phil Ivey. If televised poker wasn't crushed (**** the DOJ) this guy would be wonderful for attracting new players. Imagine this guy on HSP.

Why hate him? He's great for the game.
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:07 AM   #361
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If he made enough money from his job that he never has to work a day again in his life, which in the business he was in is a possibility, I think its pretty reasonable and/or accurate to not call him a pro. He'd just be a retired person who loves to play tournament poker and is crushing it. Imo.
So because Phil Ivey likely made enough money from Full Tilt proceeds to never have to work another day in his life, he is now just a retired person who loves to play poker.

Just because you have a lot of money, doesn't cease from making you a professional at whatever you dedicate your time to making more money at.

Are Arnold Schwarzenneger, Al Franken, Ronald Reagen or Jesse Ventura not professional politicians, just because they had already made a lot of money in entertainment?

Martha Stewart was a successful stockbroker before she became an author and TV personality.

Kal Penn Made great money as Kumar in the Harold and Kumar series but now works professionally as a White House liaison.

Is U. of Florida basketball coach Billy Donovan not a professional coach because he used to be a successful Wall Street banker?

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Old 06-12-2012, 04:17 AM   #362
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

I was talking about Andy Frankerberger not Phil Ivey or The Terminator.
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:43 AM   #363
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That QQ fold is above absurd BUT I don't give a s##t how bad u play 1 or 2 or 3 hands because he is obv doing a lot of things right. I don't know the guy so I won't judge him on anything but his results. His results say he's a stud
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:55 AM   #364
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That QQ fold is above absurd BUT I don't give a s##t how bad u play 1 or 2 or 3 hands because he is obv doing a lot of things right. I don't know the guy so I won't judge him on anything but his results. His results say he's a stud
This is the thinking that is putting some people on life tilt. What do we learn in poker? Don't be results orientated. Short term results mean next to nothing. What are you doing? Focusing on a very small sample of extreme rungood and deciding he is a great player.

I don't begrudge him his success. Its great for the game and he seems like a decent fellow. Nothing he has done so far indicates that he is anything other than a fish on a heater however. A very lucrative heater but a heater nonetheless.

If Cletus in BFE Alabama wins the lottery it doesn't mean that you should hire him as your financial consultant.
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Old 06-12-2012, 05:10 AM   #365
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Saying this guy is good at poker is like saying someone who gets hit twice by lightning is good at conducting electricity.

Guy sucks really really bad.
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:11 AM   #366
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Saying this guy is good at poker is like saying someone who gets hit twice by lightning is good at conducting electricity.
lol nice one
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:17 AM   #367
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Re: How does Andy Frankenberger do it?

c'mon. everyone in this thread is a little jealous right?
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:21 AM   #368
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good interview and good strategy HU vs ivey that paid off!

haters gonna hate but all you lowlifes will never beat ivey HU for a WSOP bracelet. does all your hate really make you feel any better about that?

yeah he makes strange, unconventional and some bad plays. i don't know him but he comes across as a genuine and *very smart* guy that actually thinks on levels that most of the "lol std" folks would never even consider.

it's great for poker when unconventional players enjoy continued success. most of you probably also hated on gus hansen's lol bad plays when he won the aussie millions. he questioned the standard plays of the time and redefined the LAG style. who knows maybe in a few years you'll all play like Andy F.
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:37 AM   #369
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They can only dream of playing like him.
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:11 AM   #370
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its like when you're playing live and some fish does something ridiculous and ends up winning the hand. then someone else is like "omg you call all that with a gutshot" and then fish is like "lol who's got the chips buddy".
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Old 06-12-2012, 08:21 AM   #371
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anyone think that QQ was some kind of meta game. That heat didnt matter anything for Andy he had already gar top 3 spot for the final table so he was only playing for chips at the final table. Maybe in his mind he was thinking i dont want Sorel or Sexton at the final table i better give my chips to this tiny little fellow who i have no idea who is he doesnt look scary at all. Who knows what the actuall reason for that fold is but everyone who has played poker for more then 20min knows you cant really fold in the spot he was, so it had to be he was just controlling as best as he could who would go with him onto the final table.
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:20 AM   #372
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So because Phil Ivey likely made enough money from Full Tilt proceeds to never have to work another day in his life, he is now just a retired person who loves to play poker.

Just because you have a lot of money, doesn't cease from making you a professional at whatever you dedicate your time to making more money at.

Are Arnold Schwarzenneger, Al Franken, Ronald Reagen or Jesse Ventura not professional politicians, just because they had already made a lot of money in entertainment?

Martha Stewart was a successful stockbroker before she became an author and TV personality.

Kal Penn Made great money as Kumar in the Harold and Kumar series but now works professionally as a White House liaison.

Is U. of Florida basketball coach Billy Donovan not a professional coach because he used to be a successful Wall Street banker?
lol
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:42 AM   #373
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c'mon. everyone in this thread is a little jealous right?
These are the most tilting posts on 2p2.

Yeah, everyone is SO jealous of Andy Frankenberger yet somehow not jealous of Ivey, Tom Dwan, Isildur, etc.

I think it's pretty obvious that 2p2 and NVG show more respect for online cash players (and successful online players in general) than basically any other form of poker pro, whether this is correct or not. To say that the posters in this thread are just arbitrarily jealous of Andy Frankenberger is so laughably absurd.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:15 AM   #374
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So because Phil Ivey likely made enough money from Full Tilt proceeds to never have to work another day in his life, he is now just a retired person who loves to play poker.

Just because you have a lot of money, doesn't cease from making you a professional at whatever you dedicate your time to making more money at.

Are Arnold Schwarzenneger, Al Franken, Ronald Reagen or Jesse Ventura not professional politicians, just because they had already made a lot of money in entertainment?

Martha Stewart was a successful stockbroker before she became an author and TV personality.

Kal Penn Made great money as Kumar in the Harold and Kumar series but now works professionally as a White House liaison.

Is U. of Florida basketball coach Billy Donovan not a professional coach because he used to be a successful Wall Street banker?
You are missing his point.

All them people got to where they were becasue they had financial backing from before hand not because of finance built from poker.

You completly missed the point by refering to Ivey.Hes doesnt get paid by full tilt anymore,we know that but before he got involved with full tilt he build his own roll in the casino's and by winning tournament that made himself a huge name from nothing.Same with durrr.After that they got the sponserships and were gettin paid.Full tilt definitely helped them out but without full tilt im sure they would still be pro's.Im gettin away form the point though.

Fair play to frankenberger.I have respect for him but Im sure if you gave the financial backing that he has been able to give himself from his last profession , to many 10 dollar mtt grinders who are winners over huge samples they might be lucky enough to bink a wsop or a wpt here or there too.

He obviously plays a way that can beat the game but he seems to be crushing at the minute and from what i have saw of his play it doesnt look like it is substainable and he is on a heater.
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:46 AM   #375
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You are missing his point.

All them people got to where they were becasue they had financial backing from before hand not because of finance built from poker.

You completly missed the point by refering to Ivey.Hes doesnt get paid by full tilt anymore,we know that but before he got involved with full tilt he build his own roll in the casino's and by winning tournament that made himself a huge name from nothing.Same with durrr.After that they got the sponserships and were gettin paid.Full tilt definitely helped them out but without full tilt im sure they would still be pro's.Im gettin away form the point though.

Fair play to frankenberger.I have respect for him but Im sure if you gave the financial backing that he has been able to give himself from his last profession , to many 10 dollar mtt grinders who are winners over huge samples they might be lucky enough to bink a wsop or a wpt here or there too.

He obviously plays a way that can beat the game but he seems to be crushing at the minute and from what i have saw of his play it doesnt look like it is substainable and he is on a heater.
So if you started off wealthy, you'll never be a poker pro no matter what you do?

I read that Isildur's bankroll started at around $2k. Does that make him less of a poker pro than Tom Dwan because I also read that Dwan's BR started at a few $50 deposits.

What if some affluent 18-year-old decides he's going to dedicate the rest of his life to being a poker pro?

Frankenberger plays poker pretty much around the clock, 40+ hours a week, or so it seems at this WSOP. I think that's qualification enough to be considered a pro.
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