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Originally Posted by icantfoldsets
What I meant was than when online players have "optimal" I'm always going go with this hand with "X+Z" range or better with X BB because it would just be ridiculous if I did otherwise. Missing out on the live read that the fish did something completely out of the ordinary that had to equal a monster.
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"Optimal" line is to bluff here with "X" to give you "Y:1" pot odds to get him to fold "Z" percent of the time when the player clearly doesn't believe you for whatever reason.
There's more to the "mathematically optimal" play live. That's all I was saying.
Then we agree to some extent, but as I said, good online players know that everything is about context and are smart enough to understand that there's a lot of additional things to potentially pick up on in a live setting, and they quickly adapt and work on developing their perception of these new factors.
Also, even online there's a lot more to optimal plays than what you name. Context includes very subbtle dynamics between players, timing tells, bet sizing etc...and I often make completely non-generic/std plays based on subbtle changes in opponent behavior, plays that seem outrageous without that context but are actually correct given the information at hand at the time.
There are online players of course who don't get that and still give generic strategy responses to HH situations based solely on hand strength, board texture and ranges, but I think it's a mistake to categorize online players in general as being like this.