So, basically, he's the opposite of Hellmuth.

If luck wasn't involved, he'd win them all.
If luck wasn't involved, he'd win nothing.

It's amazing that so many people still don't understand how poker works. How many donkaments has this guy played lifetime? 150-200? And LULZ at being vvv serious about the outcome of a 20bb HU match.

Thanks for making my point...I guess you don't know what the word "context" means either. That's what happens when you only understand 1/2 the sentences you read, I said "Always an optimal line in any defined context given a certain clearly defined objective".

Context is everything you described and a lot lot more, context is all the available information you're able to pick up. Logically, in any clearly defined environment there is always an optimal line given a certain objective, yes.

People like you will always be profitable because they have incredibly weak reasoning skills and process information in a more emotional way than a menoposal female baboon does.

In b4 PC police, "misogynist" blah blah blah...

edit: Saddest part of this is that I'm sure you still don't see how your interpretation of what I said was a huge logic fail.

PH vs AF one time please. If Phil could hold his tongue I would reevaluate my opinion of him

This guy is being judged from literally 2-3 hands.
The QQ fold might as well have been a PR stunt. There's no way to know this.

He tanked with that hand. Do you know what he was thinking? What if he was thinking "What happens if I fold in this ridiculous spot?"
If he was actually up against AA/KK, it sort of looks cool (even if it's technically the wrong fold)
If he calls, it's a standard normal hand that no one cares about, regardless what he's up against
If he folds...well look what happened.

Obviously these are random speculations, but again, you're judging a massively successful player on a couple of televised hands in an irrelevant event. This is a smart guy.

this does not seem to follow the rules of Occam's Razor...

Never been a fan of vicious criticism, always reflects badly.

?! If you were being sponsored, and if your bankroll ever got low you could get a "loan" for a million or 2 from your sponsor. You played for many years that way and never really had to pay the loans back and had access to more if you needed it. Then all of a sudden that sponsor was gone (and so was your wife costly divorce) would that effect your style of play?

Logical explanations have no business in NVG.

He would've never won if it wasn't for this thread, you guys woke up a monster

He seems to do fine in WPT tournaments. And those are the opposite of donkaments.

You are a misogynist.

The bolded part above shows your complete lack of understanding of the complexities involved in the equation NLHE: clearly defined situation??? Maybe for you playing against your brother in law, who you taught to play a couple af months ago, playing complete ABC poker with a 20BB stack you can clearly see an "optimal" line, but the variables and factors involved in a complex deeper stacked HU match for a WSOP bracelet, where one player has much more on the line than another and is a clear favorite, consist of more than pushing the action against a weaker player. Good players adapt and make their opponents play suboptimally by chaninging their ranges, style etc. The entire purpose of metagame is to convolude the situation entirely thereby inhibiting your opponent's ability to play optimally against you. In this regard Frankenburger outplayed Ivey who was always guessing wtf was going as was evident by folding to AF's 4 bet and not bluffing him off the river when AF held K high.

EDIT: My logic is flawless and you are stuck in an exploitable paradigm.

Sorry I started an "optimal line" debate in an NVG thread

You're so dumb I give up. GL in life, you'll need a lot of it.

he obv sucks a lot of ****

i ****** hate this luckbox frankendonker.

lol

= Obvious end result.

After failing to understand somewhat complex concepts and converse about them in a civil manner, opponent "Land Of The Free?" results to name calling and condescenion: basically folding his hand.

Good fold. In this situation, being completely outmatched, it was the optimal line for you to take.

Now take your remaining chips and leave the casino.

Bunch of u hating on this guy and what does he do? Just goes out and wins ANOTHER bracelet against probably one of the toughest fields of the WSOP this year, then owns the best player in the world HU... And all these jealous clowns still wanna hate. He's got more tournament poker chops over the last 2 yrs than any of you clowns ever will. Haters, keep hatin. Andy, keep winning bracelets and enjoy the financial freedom it affords you to continue to be competitive at the top of the poker world.

I challenge anybody to play 1,000 MTTs in real life in 3 years.

Good luck...

FWIW - I don't personally have much love for his game but I can appreciate the ride he's on and feel happy/good for him. I think it's cool and great for the game that he's doing what he's doing. Anybody that is mad/upset/pissed is more than anything jealous, and I think in that aspect, our community can be real ****ty sometimes.

Imo, nice guy, probably great off the felt and trustworthy, stand up, and hey, he's winning. What's wrong with that? I think anybody who has a problem with it has misplaced emotions, and that there'll be some really happy high stakes cash players if they ever talk him into the game.

He openly doesn't claim to be a top level pro or anything - and knows he's not the best there is. I don't think anybody is saying that.

Does that mean that if he just waits for really good hands, and plays really big pots and forces good players into flips that he can't curb their skill edge? Not at all. And frankly, for his skill level, he plays a very good strategy from a logic point of view.

my two cents.

I like monster mash potatoes with my frankenburger

hes Bi-Winning he wins here and he wins there

Frankenberger tries out video poker one day and hits 2 royals in about 10 hands. Also talks about catching 2 foul balls in a single Red Sox game.

Confirmed wizard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jMrbVDXWHcE

Wow, this donk is on a MASSIVE heater!

Super... sick.