Did their third match happen? Summary? Did DNegs donk it off or did Helmuth have to work for it?

Longest match yet, Phil played amazingly. Was being slowly hammered down early as always but made it all back and more when he went crazy on a double-barrel bluff through with 83s in a 5-bet pot vs. Negreanu making a poor choice of being sticky with 1/4th of his stack with 22. Big pot early Phil got to a 3-1 chip advantage with Q3 on like 2335 with a very exploitative play of check then instantly going all in on the turn (in the same way he has only bluffed so far in these matches) which led Daniel to use almost all his time banks and make a crying call with 99.

Daniel definitely had the advantage deep stacked but Phil was in control throughout the second half. They got it all in Kk vs. KK which Daniel won with a flush to go back to even but then again Phil quickly battled him back down to a 3-1 lead, then Daniel got caught bluffing all in with K rag but beat Phil’s AQ for another lucky all in back to even stacks.

There were too many small pots to mention (must have been over 350 hands total) but Phil seemed to have a live read on Daniel. It was insane some of the plays he was making even for just small pots, such as limp folding AJs preflight vs. AQ, bluffing for small pots on the river when Negreanu had weak hands but somehow giving up rivers when Negreanu was slow playing monsters when GTO would have suggested bluffing every time. Negreanu played pretty much every monster hand as a bluff-inducer but Phil never really got in trouble, on the other hand Phil bluffed all the time and kept getting caught to lose small pots, but it led him to easily get paid for much much bigger pots when he did have a hand. For example Negreanu would lose massive pots with middle pair vs. top pair because Phil would bet all three streets, however when Phil had middle pair vs. top pair Negreanu would check call to try to induce something which really let Phil get away from these situations with minimal loses

DN still playing passive and trappy it seems.

Is he the new Hellmuth?

Lol everyone so quiet u know hellmuth won �� owned negreanu again

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Yea to me it felt like negs was trying to outplay phil out of position a lot. Phil and his spazzy ways did not disappoint with 83s.. and somehow when he does this every single time his opponents have no value.

So anyway.. has someone put all of their hands from all 3 matches into a digital format so we can see the graph?

I've subbed before. It's good but not worth being subscribed annually for me.

negreanu tried to outplay phill at his own game lol, why wasnt he playing just his solid gto poker strat that he learned? no clue, got into street fight with hellmuth and lost...

hellmuth amazing with his reading skills or intuition...

I hope we're going to see Hellmuth up against a real GTO wizard, clearly Negreanu is not up to the task. I know math says Hellmuth should lose out in the long run, but I'm not convinced that the math of GTO wizards is as free of material assumptions as they assume. I think most reasonable people should at least start questioning whether they really understand everything that Hellmuth is up to.

I think PHell showed off his reads very well .. or at least 'his' way of playing. I think DNegs actually got caught up in his GTO too much with 'gotta call' moments when he may have folded with more 'real time' consideration. The converse of that is that Phil was called on a stretch of Rivers and DNegs took down those pots with 'insta' GTO calls, so it goes both ways.

I've not read the previous posts, but did anyone notice that this was not 'live' but taped Tuesday night and patched together so that none of the breaks caused 50% of the viewers to disappear?

Phil showed a great ability to change gears when he thought he needed to try and tilt the 'momentum' back his way. The first 83o hand was very ambitious and he got a great Turn card that actually made it a semi-bluff instead of a full blown bluff.

I think Phil just made the decision that 'any' pot-sized bet from DNegs was -EV to call and forced those bets smaller so he could lose less if wrong when calling them down.

Unfortunately I think Phil is long gone from this HU II. Although he only has 50K invested it'll be hard for him not to cash out the profit and start from scratch against someone else in HU III. I didn't really like that Ali was saying that they each had $200K at risk without really breaking it down until the very end of the match. While technically they did, PHell was only in for $50K from the first match .. semantics I guess.

While I think 'everyone' wanted DNegs to win so we could actually get to Level IV of the challenge, I think PHell navigated the match better than DNegs did 'after' the early 83o hand.

Unfortunately it reminded me of many of my cash game sessions where I win lots of small pots but lose in the big ones. I'd like to see a break down of each 50 hand increment to see the W/L ratio as the match progress .. Obv PHell won a lot of hands when he got to a large chips ratio, but we all should know that's how it's going to be.

DNegs won a lot of small pots and was very hesitant to pull the trigger when PHell pushed back .. except in the Q3 v 99 hand. Phil is never going to go all in there without a winner, he was too deep at the time and I think that was a major misstep by DNegs. I don't think Phil was ever below 180k after that hand. GL

Yeah this was awful and I hope they never do this again... Good catch, they kept talking about how they should not mention abolut the Vegas Knights games that was going on that day because it would expose how it was pretaped lol.

This explains why Hellmuth took down his stake package on YouStake early when normally it stays up until live start time. It also explains why Negreanu didn't upload a video on YouTube explaining "what he would do to beat Phil "today"" like he said he would upload the day of the match, during his previous podcast. (Almost certainly he would have uploaded this video as planned if he had won...) Obviously not blaming Phil in this circumstance for any wrongdoing in this circumstance, but this sets a horrible precedent for "live events" not actually being live, ie. players could leave stakes and betting lines open even after the match takes place. Not available to Americans, but does anyone know if all the public European betting lines were even aware the match had already taken place? PokerGo should obviously cut the breaks for later viewing after the fact but it really makes me sick that they feel the need to produce a pre-packaged product instead of actually holding and streaming the event originally live. I presume they are shellshocked and afraid they would make more live technical errors that would ruin the broadcast like what happened in the first match.. But really it's their job and priority to sort these out. I'm going to cancel my PokergGo subscription if they keep going this entertainment over true livestream route. It's too obvious to subconsciously sense what happened even if the players try their best not to indulge what took place...

Wasn't every match not live, but rather taped the night before?

Phil went all-in on a river bluff in the last game, so you can't say that he would never be behind in that spot. It did seem though that DNegs always managed to make the wrong move in the big pots; he folded when he should've called, and he called when he should've folded.

Looks like Daniel got his ass handed to him again. Probably time to hang up the old Headsup Hat.

I know the hand you are talking about and the stacks were very different. Phil really had no choice in the Match I spot .. but, yes, never say never of course when it comes to poker, but we do anyway. GL

u dont need gto if ur reads are super good:

Remember phill folded ajs preflop after a limp and raise from negreanu, maybe the match would have ended right there.

Kx beating AQ aipf is not lucky

ok...?
34% preflop in a 182,000 chip pot, still 58,000 chips of equity alone (more than a quarter starting stack) that was just lit on fire by Negreanu

Apex Predator chit!

Dnegs spreads out his chips when he's all in like a boomer

The only way Daniel starts winning in poker again is if he finds a time machine that takes him back to 2004.

hellmuth on run it back with remko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dVJLopLDrk


in the beginning, he mentioned next up could be ivey or dwan.

Phil with analysis.

That 83s hand alone confirms that Hellmuth is an absolute megarec.

bUT hE HaS Got GrEat ReaDS

Would love to know how much DN lost on side bets on this match. From the way he talked about it on Dat Poker Podcast I’m guessing it’s a lot...