Incidentally, here are the numbers for the two major threads on 2+2 that disparage DNEGS and his poker skills. Its funny that the two cats in the fight have the most posts in these threads. When did your constant braying about your “angry little man” theories become a discussion solely on concepts in poker? Are we supposed to simply ignore your other 170+ posts in here?

Mason Malmuth 79
freedom 35 78
Jay Why 77
BlackJackDege


Jay Why 172
NorsteinBeckler 125
Lemon93PCTSure 114
TheFly 103
Kelvis 103
Mason Malmuth 95
Tuma 94
PLIKITYPLAK 93
bombonca 89
SrslySiriu

I guess broad minded posters will buy your harpy-derpy analysis that 8 second places finishes must be horrible play, not variance, just because you say so when your research and analysis goes no further than a Herndon Mob search with no other specifics. And you think you are a particularly well disguised troll? Just lol.

Punker: props.

Your inability to understand other posters comments really does cast doubt on your intelligence. If you had understood the posts I had made in this thread you would have seen I concluded Negreanu's lamentable heads up play is due to variance, as by the law of averages even a crap player like him should lose the vast majority he plays, but he should still manage to win a couple of heads up matches. Sorry this line of thinking is too advanced for you to follow. That is the problem with rabid trolls, they are so frantic to attack they dont take the time to understand what they are attacking, so end up looking amusingly stupid and aggressive.

With regards to posting on this thread, I hardly do that any more, as there are more interesting things to think about. And as that other poker challenge against Polk predictably ended with a $1.2M loss for Negreanu, that subject is closed too, but was interesting at the time.

Newsflash: Daniel Negreanu Reveals His Last Decade of Poker Profit and Loss.

https://highstakesdb.com/news/high-s...rofit-and-loss

Would he even post that without the <5 table SnGs with massive buy-ins the majority of that number comes from?

they count though, right? And they are the toughest fields with the biggest pressure

who knows if he would post publicly his results had he lost, but we will never know because he won

What does that matter at all?

Hmmm. I believe he was minus 2,5 million in High Stakes Poker, did win a bunch on The Big Game, then lost 1 million to Doug Polk, lost 350k to Hellmuth...

I suppose he is indeed a winning player overall somehow. Should probably just quit the Heads Up game though.

totally agree. poker is about making money. money is how score is kept. the more you make the more win you had. what game you played is just a means to an end, and really doesnt matter

I know DNegs makes a lot of money from corporate sponsorship so does that means he had 100% of himself all these years? $10 million net positive doesn't necessarily mean $10 million ended up in his pocket. But say he sold 50% of his action, $5 million isn't too shabby over 6-10 years.

He posts his results every year and definitely includes the years in which he lost.

One thing to note is that most of that $10 million profit came his placing second in a $1 million buy-in tournament. That buy-in amount is so high that it seems likely that he had less of himself than he otherwise would have.

I'm pretty sure he had 100% of himself.

As I recall he said he didn't sell any action but he did pay off about $1 Million in swaps.

Ummm not sure about that. He's counting the WSOP prizes that he won last summer when he was selling off stakes of himself to the general public. I forget which one but he was at the final table of one of the bigger event which saved his results. It might have 2019?

He decided to sell part of his action in recent years on that site that Raymur shills for. He said he sold a percentage to give himself incentive to do better and work harder since he was working for the fans.

Traditionally he does not sell off a big percentage of himself, and for most of his career, while he did swap points with other players, he did not sell a lot of shares.

Although many players in the large buy-in events sell the majority of their action and often hold only 10% or 20% of themselves, Negreanu has usually owned almost all of his own action. I suppose having big corporate sponsorship has assisted him in this.

You think?

Why is everyone so concerned with his finances? The guy is rich from sponsorships, book deals, etc. What he is most successful at isn’t poker. It’s branding himself. THAT’S the real win for him. He has some real poker chops still but his marketing of himself is where he truly excels and sets himself apart from the crowd. He’s the “hero” to Hellmuth’s “villain” in the eyes of beginning poker players. It’s all a show and you guys are debating the actual poker behind it?

Daniel is very good in tournaments. It's just when cash gets involved, and i'm not saying i'll ever come a percentage near what daniels done, but doesn't he seem a bit lost? Polk wouldn't have won 1.2 million there against most pros. Polk is nuts, dont get wrong.. but 1.2 million was daniel.

It may surprise you to know that what you've described here is true of basically everyone you consider to be a successful MTT player.

I certainly believe there's old DNegs and new based on the recently released episodes of PAD (PokerGo) where he is playing at the same table as his coach.

I don't want to say he was playing with scared money, but he definitely was making some conservative decisions that didn't work out .. this time. He had played the same style on previous PAD tables and cleaned up. The same 'new style' thinking got him out of some terrible spots that he definitely wouldn't have backed down from on HSP of 'very' old, so we'll never know if it was net good or net bad so to speak.

His coach did nothing but cement his abilities and easily had the most grip on the table for this short glimpse at his play. The 3rd episode ends predictably with the running-good-rec-'fish' guy punting off all his run-good in an inferior spot IMO. GL

Hi Dr.

He didn’t get rich on book deals. Negreanu went with the publisher in the poker/gambling field that paid the lowest royalties.

Best wishes,
Mason

Fair enough. But sponsorships, appearances, TV shows, etc. all contributed to his wealth accumulation and perhaps small book royalties were the icing on the cake.

I agree with most of this.

Best wishes,
Mason

Now that he's sold twoplustwo.com, Mason can focus on his top hobby, posting in threads about Danny.