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Old 06-15-2021, 04:08 PM   #176
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I'm not a conservative. I believe in medicare for all, felons maintaining the right to vote, universal basic income, ending the death penalty, and a bunch of other progressive positions. I also believe the 2nd amendment is an essential freedom. Like free speech. While unlikely you'll ever need a gun there are countless examples of people being saved because they had a gun so it's absurd of you to suggest a gun is never needed. Wake up to reality.

Also abortion is murder. If you don't want to raise the child you can give it up for adoption but when you kill a human being in the womb it's still murder. Imagine this scenario if you don't think it's murder, a person stabs a pregnant woman who wants to keep the baby and the baby dies. Is that murder? Of course it is. Whether you want to keep the baby or not does not determine whether its murder or not. A baby's heartbeat starts a few weeks after gestation.
One of the good things about not having the essential freedom to carry a gun though is the fact that you'll never actually face one, other than in the movies.
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Old 06-15-2021, 04:13 PM   #177
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I didn't realize that. I don't think voting rights should be taken away ever, even while incarcerated and I think that should be made into federal law.
Hard to know when a lot of the left still uses it as a talking point knowing a large swath of their base votes with feelings and not facts.(not saying you specifically you seem fairly rounded in ideology) Voting while incarcerated is where I break from the Bernie bros. Imprisoned people are easily manipulated and that can be weaponized in a very bad way. They definitely should have the ability to get out, change their life, and be able to participate, goes for guns too. (though violent felons I don't think should get their right to carry back, but I'm not 100% convinced on that).

What's disturbing to me is the left VS right arguments on things like guns when there is a big % of people on the left that are like you and very pro 2A. The people against guns are actually the minority in the USA, but they are the loudest and most mainstream. It's so weird to me that people call everyone on the right far right when even the right shuns those types and everyone on the left is considered far left when true leftists are closer to the actual far right than to mainstream democrats or republicans and they love guns. What's even more weird is that the corporate communists of the world have convinced a lot of the uneducated "socialists" guns are bad when Karl Marx said to never give up your guns at all costs. Those types have nothing good intended for any of us and it's exactly why they push the "guns bad" narrative so hard, it's the only thing keeping them from total control.
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Old 06-15-2021, 04:15 PM   #178
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One of the good things about not having the essential freedom to carry a gun though is the fact that you'll never actually face one, other than in the movies.
Until it's your own government pointing it at you or a criminal that doesn't buy legal guns to start with. When the BLM leader in London was shot a few weeks ago do you think it was a legal gun that did it?

Can't remember what country and too lazy, but why do you think there was a European country(countries?) that required gun ownership during WW2?
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Old 06-15-2021, 04:22 PM   #179
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Until it's your own government pointing it at you or a criminal that doesn't buy legal guns to start with. When the BLM leader in London was shot a few weeks ago do you think it was a legal gun that did it?

Can't remember what country and too lazy, but why do you think there was a European country(countries?) that required gun ownership during WW2?
My own government won't be pointing a gun at me and if there was some bizarre situation that this happened then a gun bought from Walmart or wherever isn't going to make any difference. The government spend billions on the best stuff. Also, the chances of me seeing a gun that is being held by a criminal are so infintesimally small that I couldn't even give a figure for it.
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Old 06-15-2021, 04:28 PM   #180
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My own government won't be pointing a gun at me and if there was some bizarre situation that this happened then a gun bought from Walmart or wherever isn't going to make any difference. The government spend billions on the best stuff. Also, the chances of me seeing a gun that is being held by a criminal are so infintesimally small that I couldn't even give a figure for it.
It's just as small in America unless you're in very specific areas doing very specific things (mainly drug dealing or buying). Silly way to view it, you never know who will eventually control the government you're under or when another may decide it's time to take over. Sure, a shotgun from Walmart isn't going to do much and an AR-15 isn't either, but when there is hundreds of millions of people with various types of arms you better believe that's a deterrent from some sort of ground invasion. The majority of countries in the world could do nothing to stop hundreds of millions of people with guns. Pretty much all of the takeovers in modern history started by taking arms, there is a reason for that.
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Old 06-15-2021, 04:44 PM   #181
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Felons can vote almost everywhere, no idea why people say they can't.
Actually, in DC, there is an election today for an Area Neighborhood Commission seat in which EVERY candidate for the seat is CURRENTLY incarcerated.

(Do not know if these inmate candidates are felons but ALL candidates are incarcerated. Fwiw, not everyone in the electorate for that Area Neighborhood Council seat is in jail, there are some nearby residential areas)

https://www.npr.org/local/305/2021/0...t-the-d-c-jail

"On June 15, D.C. will conduct an unprecedented election for a seat on a Ward 7 Advisory Neighborhood Commission, the bodies of elected volunteers across the city who weigh in on everything from public safety to liquor license applications. But this particular seat is distinct: it has never been filled, and all five candidates fighting for it — and a majority of the voters they are courting — are incarcerated at the jail."

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Old 06-15-2021, 04:50 PM   #182
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It's just as small in America unless you're in very specific areas doing very specific things (mainly drug dealing or buying). Silly way to view it, you never know who will eventually control the government you're under or when another may decide it's time to take over. Sure, a shotgun from Walmart isn't going to do much and an AR-15 isn't either, but when there is hundreds of millions of people with various types of arms you better believe that's a deterrent from some sort of ground invasion. The majority of countries in the world could do nothing to stop hundreds of millions of people with guns. Pretty much all of the takeovers in modern history started by taking arms, there is a reason for that.
Lol, it isn't just as small in America. I'm talking about never even seeing a gun, ever, in any situation.

The rest of your post is fantasy.
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Old 06-15-2021, 04:52 PM   #183
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Question for those carrying to protect themselves.

When someone points a gun at you, which option has the highest chance of you getting shot:
1) You calmly hand over your money
2) You pull out your gun

How much time do you really have to react when someone jumps you? Especially with your concealed weapon?
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Old 06-15-2021, 04:54 PM   #184
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Actually, in DC, there is an election today for an Area Neighborhood Commission seat in which EVERY candidate for the seat is CURRENTLY incarcerated.

(Do not know if these inmate candidates are felons but ALL candidates are incarcerated. Fwiw, not everyone in the electorate for that Area Neighborhood Council seat is in jail, there are some nearby residential areas)

https://www.npr.org/local/305/2021/0...t-the-d-c-jail

"On June 15, D.C. will conduct an unprecedented election for a seat on a Ward 7 Advisory Neighborhood Commission, the bodies of elected volunteers across the city who weigh in on everything from public safety to liquor license applications. But this particular seat is distinct: it has never been filled, and all five candidates fighting for it and a majority of the voters they are courting are incarcerated at the jail."
Wait, what? DC is something else haha.
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Old 06-15-2021, 05:00 PM   #185
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Lol, it isn't just as small in America. I'm talking about never even seeing a gun, ever, in any situation.

The rest of your post is fantasy.
The majority of Americans never see a gun outside of one used for recreation and Americans in cities often don't even see that. Pure fantasy? What did the Germans do? What did the Soviets do? What did China do?

I've seen a gun in a dangerous situation all of 4 times. I also put myself in dangerous situations knowing guns would be around on a daily basis for over a decade.(hanging around drug dealers) The only time one was presented towards me without knowingly putting myself in the situation was at an underground poker game that was robbed.

Outside of major cities gun violence is very rare and even in the places it isn't it's mostly gang violence. (they're not using legal guns)
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Old 06-15-2021, 05:03 PM   #186
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I imagine this thread will be kept open if the discussion stays on topic and doesn't stray too far from the poker aspects. If there are too many "political derails", the thread will likely be closed. (There are plenty of places on 2+2 and elsewhere to discuss those matters.)
Please continue your conversation in 2+2's Politics forum or elsewhere. It does not belong in NVG.
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