I get your point and its been a while since i saw the vid but from what i remember the play was being a dick and egging the dealer one. The dealer did over react though and i certainty wouldn't want someone in that state of mind to be packing

Ok but how are the real Man's fist going to help him when the fake man has a .45

lol you're scared of a random person coming at you with a .45 for no reason?

you really are shaking in your boots w that gun then

also lol, what you gonna do when he puts that .45 in your face, huh? you gonna reach down to your ankle and grab yours? lol you ain't gonna pull ****. you pussies literally have no idea how these things go down IRL, you just live in a fantasy world

If someone starts shooting a firearm at you, having a gun allows you to return fire and disrupt their central nervous system so they are no longer able to shoot. Not having a gun severely lessens your chance of survival.

I’m not interested in discussing the politics of gun control. I don’t have a strong opinion on it. Guns in casinos seems like a non issue though. Like simple Rick said, can anyone cite a single time a legal gun has caused a serious issue in a casino? If not, who tf cares? Sample size is big enough that I don’t view it as a threat. You can get caught up in hypotheticals but IRL that **** doesn’t happen.

Wow I was there when incident happened ,the player in question did nothing of the sort the dealer flipped on him and went after him ,he's lucky the player wasnt carrying or he would of been in his legal right to shoot the idoit , no one was really holding the dealer back in the room in beginning. Aria fired the idoit and let's all hope and pray he never gets hired In a casino again period ,was disgusting to see it unfold and how many dumb storys came out defending the dealers actions ! Only thing that the player said to him after the dealer ( peaches &#127825 tough talked him was "shut the xxxx up" then he charged the table , dealer should of 💯 been arrested and wasn't !

So why does Simple Rick fight for the right to do something inconvenient and completely useless, knowing it makes some others uncomfortable enough to leave is what's perplexing.

In reality though, it is a lethal weapon and is just an accident waiting to happen, for absolutely no ****ing reason.

As a German I totally agree. An I am happy that guns are not allowed around here.

On the other hand, I never realized that people carry guns so often in the US. I love going to the poker room around corner whenever I am (was) there. It will never feel the same. Especially b/c I sometimes like to get into peoples heads.

I agree there is not much, probably 0 upside to carrying a gun in a casino. Still it is such a non issue that I don’t think government intervention is necessary.

It's neither inconvenient nor useless. Plenty of people get robbed while leaving the casino. If you're carrying large amounts of cash you are a target for criminals. And if someone is concealed carrying than why would anyone be left uncomfortable? Anyone who's afraid of sane sober moral people from carrying a gun probably don't understand how guns work. Guns don't just go off on their own.

Can anyone cite an example of a gun being drawn or used at the poker table? If you think people aren't concealed carrying in a casino with no metal detectors you are naive.

What most people in this thread seem to not realize is that people who legally conceal carry in a casino don't carry specifically for the casino. They carry everywhere they go, all places at all hours. It is a normal, natural second nature thing. They aren't arming themselves to go to the casino, and they aren't going to disarm to go to the casino. Proper concealed carry is just that...concealed.

You have all played with people who are armed, guaranteed. And you all seemingly made it out ok. The few of you who may actually now be worried about it, and only because of reading this thread, are still going right back to the casino. And after a session or 2, maybe even just an hour or 2, you won't even remember this or think twice about it. You'll be right back to thinking about the old lady 2 outting you for a $200 pot.

And despite what some may think, just because a legally armed person gets upset or frustrated or gets into an argument whether inside a casino or not, from a bad beat or otherwise, doesn't mean they are going to just haul out their gun and shoot someone. That is a silly notion. Casinos would be a death zone if that were the case especially in more heavily armed states where half the table is armed.

No, you're not, but you do have almost 3 times as many posts as anyone else in this thread. And...

You don't just respond to people's derailing posts, but try to bring others into the derail. Not playing, sorry.

I see.

Anyway, I've said my piece, and I'll let you have your last shot at me.

Existence of this thread, combined with current U.S. political climate raises question of whether one should simply avoid poker rooms, avoid poker rooms in casinos and never enter any U.S. casino. Best way to survive domestic terrorist attacks - stay home.

I don't know .... I grew up on the SouthSide in Chicago, and not in what I'd call a safety enclave. I ended up in Las Vegas for most of the last 30 years. I currently reside much of the time down in Costa Rica.

I've seen guns in an urban setting before. I would worry as much or more about a mouth-breathing armed poker player with a "need" to carry into a casino game as I would about anyone else I am likely to encounter who is packing anywhere else. I find out some yahoo is packing a gun in a poker game, I am gone from that casino and letting management know why.

Face it, poker players are not the most stable folks in the world, carrying a gun sounds like some predisposition to over-reaction.

Not playing? Bro, you already started playing by making a comment about me. You didn’t have to, but you went out of your way. Internet tough guy.

What is classified as 'violent crime' is recorded very differently in each country. Here's part of an article that explains some of the most obvious differences:

Second, and more importantly, the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports defines a “violent crime” as one of four specific offenses: murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault.

The British Home Office, by contrast, has a substantially different definition of violent crime. The British definition includes all “crimes against the person,” including simple assaults, all robberies, and all “sexual offenses,” as opposed to the FBI, which only counts aggravated assaults and “forcible rapes.”

When you look at how this changes the meaning of “violent crime,” it becomes clear how misleading it is to compare rates of violent crime in the US and the UK. You’re simply comparing two different sets of crimes. In 2009/10, for instance (annual data is from September to September), British police recorded 871,712 crimes against persons, 54,509 sexual offenses, and 75,101 robberies in England and Wales. Based on the 2010 population of 55.6 million, this gives a staggeringly high violent crime rate of 1,797 offenses per 100,00 people.

But of the 871,000 crimes against the person, less than half (401,000) involved any actual injury. The remainder were mostly crimes like simple assault without injury, harassment, “possession of an article with a blade or point,” and causing “public fear, alarm, or distress.” And of the 54,000 sexual offenses, only a quarter (15,000) were rapes. This makes it abundantly clear that the naive comparison of crime rates either wildly overstates the amount of violence in the UK or wildly understates it in the US.

Everybody is so quick to forget Stephen Paddock was a poker player on a downswing..
Guns don't kill people, tilt does.

The "need" is not to carry in a poker game. If they pack in a poker game, they always pack whether at the grocery store, the library or picking the kids up at soccer. I don't separate the two. They are one and the same.

I would imagine in the majority of states you will run into multiple people who are armed on a regular basis, you just don't know it and for the most part nothing happens. I suppose if you know someone is armed and it makes you or anyone else feel unsafe then it is your right to leave. If the casino has a clearly posted no guns policy then it is also your right to notify management. They will tell the person to disarm or to leave. But that person has done a piss poor job of of concealing their carry.

Paddock was a slots player. We don't claim him.

Very fair. I'm not even sure I agree with my own post on a truly empirical level, that's all sort of gut-level feeling.

To go on the extreme end of that feeling, one of my favorite eateries in town is a popular place for the California Highway Patrol. It's odd, because it's not really all that close to the nearest highway, and one of the other locations is right off I-80. But they go to this one place quite a bit. I'd say half the times I've been there around dinnertime, I've seen at least one CHP vehicle in the parking lot. I live in an ultra-safe town in general, but in those instances, there is a distinct and palpable "ain't-nothing-going-down-tonight" sense.

Anyway, that's the sense I would likely have if I knew someone at my table was armed – even though it might not actually be backed up the maths.

You might be right, and it would be very tough to ever know for sure. Too many other factors play into the stats. So for ever person who points to Chicago's gun violence numbers despite Illinois' and Cook County's policies, someone else will point to Port Arthur in Australia, then everyone is trading data points.

Getting back to the topic...

I did get curious to see what the weapons policies were at the different casinos. I started looking up each place one by one, then eventually stumbled upon this passage at the webzine Concealed Nation:

And this was in a Q&A in Anthony Curtis' Las Vegas Advisor:

It's actually pretty easy to figure out which places have an outright ban on firearms as there are sites that call for a boycott of such places because, you know, principles.

So anyway, forget about whether or not carrying in a casino in necessary, I'm starting to wonder if the OP's concerns about Vegas casinos allowing it are necessary.

You say a gun at the table is not useless and yet never in the history has one been drawn. Which is it then?

Retrieve your gun from the lockbox when leaving the building as for robberies. Though the reason why you keep getting robbed, maybe it might have to do something with the fact that every nimwit can get a gun so easily.

It's very puzzling also how you say a concealed firearm is nothing to be worried of while citing knife violence in London as a very big deal. You literally think that something which only purpose is killing is less dangerous than kitchenware?

Sidenote, do americans even understand that for the rest of the world this sounds so far out of comprehension you might as well say you never leave the house without a nuke and an army of trained godzillas?

Less restrictive gun laws lead to higher rates of gun ownership, which lead to higher rates of gun ownership. There are a few exceptions here and there, but those statements are supported by the evidence.

It's crazy to think it's a good idea to carry a gun into a casino.

Yes, some americans do. It is cultural. It is no different than other countries having habits or norms that seem outlandish to us. I personally don't understand the craziness over soccer. So booooring As simplistic as this may sound....it is what it is. We all live our lives the way we do. Judging each other or our culture, traditions, norms, feelings etc...isn't going to change anything or or how anyone lives. It just creates anger and defensivness.

If you don't like guns or the thought of being around them or other people carrying them bothers you....cool bruh. Do you. It won't change my opinion of guns. It also won't make me hate you or not be your friend if we get along in other ways. I wish more people understood that and didn't try to force ideals on each other.

I would love an army of trained godzillas.

Legal concealed carry is nothing to worry about. Criminals carrying guns or knives is a problem. I don't care if someone carries a knife on them as long as I don't see it.

As for leaving your gun with security at the casino and retrieving it after is reasonable since there is effectively a zero percent chance of needing it at the table, it's also just a waste of time for a law abiding citizen.