We were talking about a scenario where they enter the premises and discover a safe that is too heavy to move. In that scenario, I'd welcome them to wait around at my house, inside or out.

Regardless, if someone is waiting outside your property you'd be wise not to drive up without backup. If you have a propensity to carry large amounts of cash on you you should probably live in a place where there aren't many lurkers and a where a random car or person will stick out like a sore thumb.

Yes, but they could always leave and then come back

That's far less of a threat than if they just did a home invasion in the first place. By leaving and coming back they've completely lost the element of surprise.

Depending how they got in you might not even know they were there, and even if you had warning there might not be much you could do about it

Unless he armed himself but most poker players these days don’t do that I’d guess

Sure, if you are doing everything wrong. However, if you are doing things right then you will have cameras alerting you anytime someone steps foot on your property (or are close to your property, depending on the layout)..

Seriously, this is NOT a new problem. Stop trying to re-solve it. Every jeweler in the world has already solved it and you would be wise to learn from them.

• Have cameras and an alarm system
• Keep the valuables in a UL-rated safe with a time rating longer than your alarm response time
• Have a silent alarm as part of the safe, so that when you open the safe, there's a way to trigger an armed response while opening it
• Have good physical security so there's a time gap between someone trying to get in, and getting in
• Have a suitable gun and know how to use it.

If they show up any you're not home, they set off the alarm and may find the safe but won't mess with it because they know they're on the clock.

If they show up and you are home, hopefully the physical security is good enough they bail or that you get to play shoot-a-thug. But if you get caught unaware, let them force you to open the safe, use the silent alarm, and there's a very good chance they get caught.

Certainly there's nothing wrong with using cages or banks, but if you decide not to this is well traveled ground.

I’m not trying to resolve anything, but the five seconds of thought I put into this earlier would solve a lot of issues though

I will say that I would value coming out of the affair alive more than them getting caught. So I still like the thought of quickly getting them a smaller amount and out the door as opposed to what, the silent alarm going off, and then you are in the house with them with the police outside?

There's some chance, maybe better than a coinflip, but I don't know if its a 'very good' one.

It doesn't take very long to empty a safe and zip tie a dude. If the alarm is triggered upon the safe opening, they can be out of there in under a minute or two, if they know what they're after... and if they're planners and aware of the various trip-ups that tend to catch people who garner a lot of post-crime scrutiny, they'll already be aware of things like TLO and how that relates to their getaway... and we live in an era where wearing masks is A-OK.

I dunno man. If someone gets the drop on your and makes you open a safe, I'm thinking at that point, you basically lose, even if you live.

Waiting for the thread where a player gets killed because the robber couldn’t get into their safe before they got home so he panicked and shot them so everyone can tell him how stupid he was for having such a secure safe.

On a serious note I do keep a decoy safe though that isn’t very secure or well hidden in hopes robbers take that and leave to open it later to find nothing.

How can a 900# safe be small and why would it need to be bolted to the foundation?

Thanks for telling us.

Steel is extremely dense at almost 500 pounds per cubic foot. That's basicallly an 18 inch cube with 2 inch thick walls.

You bolt the safe into the foundation because with the help of machines, thieves can easily carry a 900+ pound safe to a location where they can take their sweet time getting it open

Real solution is to keep the money in the banking system. Then you don't have to a sophisticated security system or worry about getting tortured to open your safe.

Only reason to keep $1 million at home earning nothing is to evade taxes. That is more difficult to do once you make headlines in the news.

It sucks he got robbed but it's also a good reminder that if you don't protect yourself on the simplest of levels, especially dealing with physical cash/goods at some point your vulnerabilities might get taken advantage of.

Add in the fact a lot of people are big into social media and showcasing their lifestyle to the general public makes them a more commonly targeted person. Robbing someone with limited security measures and lots of cash is a whale in the criminal world.

It sucks, but until policing progress to a point where it's entirely deterred or the world of making money is easier. You'll always have crime and have to do your due diligence.

That's not true at all. The reason to keep $1 million is for easy access to play poker. Keeping it in the banking system doesn't provide that. Imagine there's a big home game running at 8pm on a Saturday. If all your money is tied up in the banking system then you're screwed. Banking hours tend not to be in line with poker hours.

if only they had 24 hour safe deposit boxes in vegas. Maybe someday sum 1 will think of that

seems like there would be a market for it

Anyone who has B- level Google/Data Acquisition skills can get anyone's home address.

Guys who have A+ level data acquisition skills and know how to leverage use of 3rd party data brokers, etc, can get horrifyingly accurate personal information, including real time stuff.

It all goes back to people being naive; if you were raised in the cul-de-sac, when it comes to situational awareness, you're like one of those extinct flightless island birds who had no natural predators, that would walk up to starving sailors who just landed ashore and promptly be clobbered and eaten. People who are naive tend to be incredibly reckless with their actions, since they've never met the kinds of people who respond to said actions in a rather scary way.

In the information age, wealth privacy is many many many many times more important. The same information that lets you brag to the world also empowers someone who would take what you have to find out where you live.

They're not small but they're movable with two guys and an appliance dolly (or, they come out the same way they went in)

You bolt it to the floor since it makes it just that much harder to get out the door with.

Chad power is idiot.
1.obv should have 10 ton safe with only $100 in it.
2. hide the rest in sock drawer.
3. give robber the code to safe and say downswing/crypto took the rest.
4. ???
5. Profit

I lived with some high stakes poker players in vegas before...

They had really fancy big safes bolted into the floors very nicely installed and boxes at the casinos plus the banks, big amounts invested in the markets, etc...It's not that they are evading taxes to keep so much at home but banks are not always open and money kind of flows around and shows up unexpected especially the bigger you play when you loan big amounts or if a horse wins big and brings you money. Big Private game that pays you out in cash at night or something. You never delay to get paid out big when the offer is on the table because it's night time and the bank is closed. if the guy is robbed, or in jail or dead the next day and you will never get paid and that's happened plenty of times to a lot of people in the gambling world

this. all cheaters don't look at their cell phone in the crotch. Al Capone went to Alcatraz for being a tax cheat.

There must be some big private games in Vegas. The games at casinos are mostly not high enough stakes that you would need to have $1 million in cash available.

This isn't the first robbery of a poker pro's home. https://lasvegassun.com/news/1998/ap...-by-armed-men/

Didn't you read my previous post in the thread. There was a 24/7 Private Vault and a whole handful of boxes were broken into. You are essentially trusting a private individual other than a bank to oversee the security of your box. He has nothing to lose other than his business. What are you going to sue him for. You can't prove the contents of your box. How many bank safe deposit vaults are broken into. I think I have read a story about once every two decades. The Private Vault in Las Vegas wasn't the only vault that was burglarized. There was a vault in Fort Lauderdale that was hit around 25 years ago. There was also a Private Vault in Beverly Hills, in that case the feds this year seized every box. To reclaim the property you have to prove that everything in the box was yours. Try to doing that when it comes to cash, gold, rare coins and jewelry. You might have a chance with the jewelry if you can show a receipt where you purchased the rings or bracelets.

Why is it not mentioned b4 he was robbed in his home in Washington. This guy has been involved in quite a few candles as well ,ice tea scam , staking bs controversy, cheating and colluding alligations , card counting and more