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Allegations of Cheating in WSOP 10k HU Allegations of Cheating in WSOP 10k HU

06-04-2015 , 07:38 AM
Supposedly he took off when he knew they were on to him. Reminds me of lusardi
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06-04-2015 , 07:40 AM
Please link this to the thread about why the public has a low opinion of professional poker players.
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06-04-2015 , 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by HelloFriends
This is the way he did it probably.

Edit: the balls on this guy. One thing is to do it in smaller donkament in Cyprus, but at the WSOP, HU?!
I wouldn't call it "having balls" but rather being incredibly stupid to think he would get through with it.
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06-04-2015 , 07:42 AM
Just want to reiterate that the ink is somewhat speculation and not confirmed. We know he was marking them somehow (maybe even as simple as the usual way people do) but there was just a lot of weird stuff going on with his sunglasses and hands etc that make us believe this could've been the case.

There is definitely some worry that he cottoned on to the fact that the WSOP was watching his every move but hopefully there was enough evidence collected at that point that something is done.
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06-04-2015 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by tms323232
Why not have floor try on his glasses and look at the decks used against Byron mid match? Seems like the simplest way to catch him and also stop a potential cheat from advancing yet another round.
They should've done this plus put a hold on his cashout.

Isn't this the first year that the Italian card company Modiano is supplying the cards at the WSOP? The back of the cards are a new design.
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06-04-2015 , 07:53 AM
sore losers imo
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06-04-2015 , 08:08 AM
he probably cant cheat in cyprus cause he loses regularly at 25-50 tables. but he seems more successful at tournaments.
i played with coca in small tournaments in cyprus and monte negro did not see anything suspicious.
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06-04-2015 , 08:10 AM
Hey guys,

I'm writer of that article on Czech site Pokerzive.cz, "Who is Valeriu Coca? Confirmed cheater from Prague casino's."

Coca is well-known cheater, he is banned from all major Prague poker rooms.
But, the point why we were writing that article is the fact, that he was crushing one of the events of European Poker Tour Monte Carlo finals.
We contacted staff @ EPT, but they did not found anything wrong with this Moldavian guy.

So I'm glad, that he is finally caught. Well, let's hope, that WSOP officials will do something ASAP.
And yes, in Prague he marked King's and Aces by bending corners. And I do believe, that he is doing same thing @ WSOP.

Feel free to ask me anything you want, as I'm in contact with the initial guy (ex-manager of Ambassador Casino), who busted him.

Martin Kucharik

Last edited by 0XEEr; 06-04-2015 at 08:17 AM.
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06-04-2015 , 08:13 AM
Wow, sick story but makes for a great read.

Didn't this guy already go very deep in one of the early events or am I thinking of someone else? I thought I recognise his name as being friends with someone else who went very deep in the same event.

Seems to me it would be hard to prove anything though after the event.

Will be interesting to see if he's left Vegas already or is still around.
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06-04-2015 , 08:22 AM
Yeah the bending would seem more doable - if the ink was all over his hands it would be tough to mark the cards in a way where he would then recognize them afterwards. Just seems like it would be tough for him to only touch certain cards, but wtf do I know.
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06-04-2015 , 08:24 AM
I'm going to be really interested to see how this develops over the next few days.

Who in the media is going to cover it, and with what kind of journalistic due diligence? How are the WSOP going to handle this? How are the Nevada authorities going to handle it?
It's gonna be interesting, and I think we may be re-evaluating some reputations by the end of it.
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06-04-2015 , 08:27 AM
Could be epic storyline if Coca has curly hair
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06-04-2015 , 08:27 AM
WSOP deserve some credit for the draw that inadvertently caught him.

Gl hope you get an agreeable resolution.
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06-04-2015 , 08:31 AM
Really sick story. Interested to hear the outcome of this.
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06-04-2015 , 08:37 AM
I have Kaverman in a WSOP fantasy...was tilting anyway to see him get beat from a ~5/1 chip advantage against some clown Moldovan lower stakes grinder but this does answer a lot of questions why that happened. Interested to follow how this plays out
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06-04-2015 , 08:42 AM


Seems pretty weird, I mean, I think it is more probable he did something (cheating) than he won those guys in that way
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06-04-2015 , 08:46 AM
Assuming they switched decks in the middle of some matches, did he do the slow deliberate card-checking immediately upon a new deck being introduced?

The posts from his opponents ITT suggest he was only doing it at the beginning of matches, but if the WSOP was really swapping in new decks more frequently, he would have had to do it upon each new deck being introduced, no?
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06-04-2015 , 08:47 AM
Isn't bending the corners of cards something that would be easily noticed by the dealer or the other player in the match?

Is there any footage of him re checking his cards multiple times? It doesn't strike me as that hard to mark the cards with ink on his fingers. All it would take is to have ink on his Index and middle fingers. He checks his cards with his ring finger, pinky and thumb and then marks them at an appropriate spot on the back by rechecking them again, this time using his index and middle finger to place a mark. He could also have a renewable supply of the ink in one of his pockets, something which should be looked for if there is footage to review.

I have Kaverman in a fantasy draft and very upset that he lost to this ****ing cheater. Hope the appropriate action is taken. What are the chances of the WSOP actually doing something? Surely they are going to want to keep this as quiet as possible?
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06-04-2015 , 08:54 AM
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Could be epic storyline if Coca has curly hair
Looks more mafia in his photo
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06-04-2015 , 08:54 AM
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Isn't bending the corners of cards something that would be easily noticed by the dealer or the other player in the match?
I would think this would be easily picked up on. According to Drinan they alerted Effel well in advance, so they could also inspect the cards while out of orbit. My manies is on ink here. Can't see any other solution.
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06-04-2015 , 09:04 AM
Was he wearing same glasses when he was Day 1A chip leader at the France Poker Series Monaco Main Event at EPT Grand Final?!

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06-04-2015 , 09:11 AM
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Was he wearing same glasses when he was Day 1A chip leader at the France Poker Series Monaco Main Event at EPT Grand Final?!

Was he also putting his fingers in or around his mouth? Could be a source of the ink.
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06-04-2015 , 09:13 AM
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Hey 2+2, it's Connor. We (the players that were beaten by this Valeriu Coca guy in the $10k HU) were trying to keep things quiet until we gave the WSOP adequate time to investigate the situation and come up with a solution, but since there are a lot of rumors circulating and a lot of people know bits and pieces already, I might as well clear things up.

Pratyush Buddiga was the first to lose to him. He is my good friend but seemed pretty tilted so I didn't ask details until I found out he was my next opponent. I asked for reads and whatnot and he basically told me he was really slow and passive in the beginning and then picked up the pace as the match went on as far as speed of play and aggression. He thought he was stalling in the beginning to give himself a better shot to win at a higher blind level. He said he would stall by rechecking his cards at a bunch of different angles when it was clear he made up his mind to fold already.

He did the same thing in my match. For the first 10 hands or so, he folded to most of my button opens and either limped or folded the button (doing the same obnoxious card checking tactics). I was thinking "man this guy is going to be a breeze." From that point on I won very few pots the rest of the match. Every time I had a good starting hand he folded. If I had a bad one he raised or re-raised. If I whiffed a flop he attacked my c-bets. If I whiffed and went for a delayed cbet, he blasted turn into me every time. If I hit and bet, he folded. Hit and checked, he checked ect ect ect.

It was probably the most frustrating match of my life and I've played a ton of HU. He grinded me down to 80k at bb4k from 240k starting. At this point I was playing super passive as his aggression was out of control. I made my first button raise in a while which was a shove with 33 and he snapped me with k5o for 20bb. I held and won my only significant pot of the match but he went back to work grinding me down to 60k and then won a flip to end the match.

I remember him folding 4 times total preflop once blinds got big. 1) He walked me when I had AA. 2) he folded to my min when I had AJs. 3) I capped my cards and waited for him to look at his cards first for the first time in the match as I was starting to get really skeptical. He acted surprised and flustered and walked me before I uncovered my hand. 4) After checking my hole cards (J9o i think) I looked behind me to see if there was a chance he had a friend on the rail who could see my cards but there was no way. He seemed very weirded out that I did that and again walked me.

I stormed out of the rio as tilted as I've ever been after busting a tournament and immediately messaged prat saying I felt like something major was off with the match. It didn't make sense that a guy grinding 300 euro mtts in eastern europe who has never played WSOP before would come here for the $10k HU and be such a beast. I ranted to Prat all the things that were weird, both mannerisms and plays he made vs me. Prat said he felt the exact same about his match but didn't say anything at first because he figured he was just being a sore loser and got owned. I then messaged the other 2 players he beat, Matt Marafioti and Aaron Mermelstein and they both had similar "yeah i felt totally owned, couldn't win a pot, thing he was doing with his cards was really weird, ect" type responses.

I called my other good friend Byron Kaverman and warned him about everything as they were scheduled to play in the round of 16 the next morning. We figured we should also tell Jack Effel so they could be on the lookout. Byron said he knew Jack well so he would talk to him. I went to bed questioning myself and wondering if I was just being a sore loser.

I then woke up this morning to a message on facebook from a czech friend of mine that read "Hey man just woke up and found out u were in HU with a guy who made a lot of money in cash games in Prague. He has ban in czech poker casinos for cheating. Guy was marking cards. We can talk in person little bit later when Im on sngs in Rio and u can forward it to floors players etc so they can do smtng about it I guess"

I instantly passed this along to Byron and he said that Jack was on it and they were monitoring him via cameras and also switching up the decks frequently. My friend also sent me this article which you have to translate to english with your broswer: http://www.pokerzive.cz/zpravodajstv...azskych-kasin/

I spoke with Byron after his match and he said he was 100% sure the guy was trying to cheat and was watching the cards very closely as the dealer dealt off the deck but that he did a pretty good job covering his cards and the decks were being switched up so it was hard for Coca to work his magic. Unfortunately he couldn't fade an 80/20 and the guy advanced. His next opponent, Keith Lehr, was also warned about Coca. At this point, Coca probably knew that he had been exposed based on the attention his matches were receiving from the floor, the way Byron and Keith were protecting their hands so well, ect ect. He finally lost to Keith in 5th place.

Our speculation is that he was using some sort of invisible ink in combination with special sunglasses. We haven't heard much from WSOP since the match, but what little I have heard I would rather keep to myself for now and allow WSOP time to finish the investigation and make their own statement.
Wow sounds like the movie shade with Sylvester Stallone. With regard to the invisible ink picked up by sunglasses. Sick if true and couldn't this become an epidemic if true? How to stop something like this if it was possible? Is it possible?
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06-04-2015 , 09:16 AM
Thank you guys for reporting it to Jack and thanks to Jack for investigating it. In todays world I think we tend to jump on social media right away before we do it the "right way". I really do commend yall for taking a step back and discussing the odd behaviour with each as well because, like both of you stated, you both just lost a 10k HU and you could of been steaming. So once again, kudos. And this is the poker community policing itself.
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06-04-2015 , 09:18 AM
Aren't all cards used in a game kept and stored for some amount of time? Seems evidence of marking should be easy to detect on those. Unless of course they aren't labeled as to which table used them.

Another possibility, especially if a new brand of cards is being used, is slight defects in the card backings. His early delays could have been when he was memorizing marks on the cards introduced during the manufacturing of the cards. Think Phil Ivey's edge sorting
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