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06-04-2015 , 06:53 PM
Loving all these non-stop scandals
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06-04-2015 , 06:53 PM
Assuming the guy is guilty, what happens to the guys he beat?

Are they entitled to a refund or something?

As Lehr went on to win it after being warned of this guy, maybe he should repay the guys who lost to him if the WSOP doesn't?
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06-04-2015 , 06:55 PM
sorry if this was already addressed but...what if the method is simple enough that there are teams applying it throughout all of the wsop? seems way easier to get passed bored dealers/players in other events that are full ring especially. also people's ranges narrow at larger formats so card mark clues would be even more beneficial while being less likely detected.
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06-04-2015 , 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by highhustla
Ya, nice troll, but GTFO, RJPoker.
Troll? I am at home in FL recuperating from 6 surgeries and missing the beginning of the WSOP. I hope to make it out soon and enjoy the series. I am also an attorney and am laughing my butt off as I see dollar signs for some Nevada attorney who is hoping that there is no proof of cheating after Connor made the classic mistake of posting this cheating allegation. If it is not true, or cannot be substantiated, then it is classic defamation of character and libel per se. My post was meant to curtail this allegation but it has gone viral.

Coca has numerous cashes in Europe and his GPI is 777. If the allegations cannot be substantiated then he has an excellent civil lawsuit. The non-lawyers seem to think that his Czech cheating allegations would have some bearing on a Nevada civil action. Any decent attorney would be able to keep those allegations out of the litigation as there is no criminal or civil action ever filed against Coca.

Connor and his poker buds that suspect cheating should just keep quiet and let Jack do his job. Undoubtedly the Nevada Gaming Commission has taken the lead in the investigation. If the NGC does not substantiate cheating then Connor is in a very poor legal position.
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06-04-2015 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Tcarnage
I don't see **** if this is the photo you're looking at? I guess looking at it left side, but on his right eye?





and here yes i see it the disc
enhance!
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06-04-2015 , 07:02 PM
why wear a sun shade if not to hide your eyes ? I can see their eyes through these sun shades

oh for a style? no we are not fooled
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06-04-2015 , 07:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Tcarnage
I don't see **** if this is the photo you're looking at? I guess looking at it left side, but on his right eye?



Yes, from our angle it is on the left side, but his right. It's not super obvious (which is I guess why it worked). But if you look at the reflection in his right lens you can see the dealer, right? You can make out the dealer's right arm and right hand. Then just to the right of that you can see her left arm, but no left hand. I believe that's probably because her left hand is distorted by the magnification disc. To me it looks like the disc is a perfect circle, not the entire lower part of the glasses like a standard bifocal. His left lens looks perfectly normal to me, no bifocal at all and no odd paralax.

I wish I could download a copy of the photo and I can highlight it, but I'll leave that to the pros.
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06-04-2015 , 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by RJPoker
Did Coca cheat? I have no idea based on the pure supposition in your post. Is it possible? Yes, it is possible. Is there any proof of cheating? There is absolutely no proof at this time that Coca cheated.
Once a cheater, always a cheater.
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06-04-2015 , 07:12 PM
The most telling will be when the investigation is concluded and wsop 'reports' that nothing unusual was found and he never pick up his 50k.
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06-04-2015 , 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RJPoker
Coca has numerous cashes in Europe and his GPI is 777. If the allegations cannot be substantiated then he has an excellent civil lawsuit. The non-lawyers seem to think that his Czech cheating allegations would have some bearing on a Nevada civil action. Any decent attorney would be able to keep those allegations out of the litigation as there is no criminal or civil action ever filed against Coca.
There is a lot of circumstantial evidence here. They might not be able to prove he cheated, but if you look at all the evidence I would put money on the fact that he did. From his weird card handling manners in the early rounds, asking to see someone's stack which appeared irreverent at the time, to Coca begging for a 5 minute break when he didn't even need to use the restroom. If you add the actual hand histories, it is just the icing on the cake.

The OJ Simpson case could not be proven in court, but 99% of the population believed he did it. Same with Coca. If they conclude there is insufficient evidence to disqualify him, there is enough evidence and testimony itt to believe otherwise.

If there is a hungry lawyer in NV who want to start suing people on 2p2 for defamation of character for asking for an inquiry against a knows cheater after several suspicious acts, I wish him the best of luck (he's gonna need).

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Originally Posted by azimma
why wear a sun shade if not to hide your eyes ? I can see their eyes through these sun shades

oh for a style? no we are not fooled

good point. unless he wears prescription glasses, this is yet another tell.
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06-04-2015 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jankynoname
Yes, from our angle it is on the left side, but his right. It's not super obvious (which is I guess why it worked). But if you look at the reflection in his right lens you can see the dealer, right? You can make out the dealer's right arm and right hand. Then just to the right of that you can see her left arm, but no left hand. I believe that's probably because her left hand is distorted by the magnification disc. To me it looks like the disc is a perfect circle, not the entire lower part of the glasses like a standard bifocal. His left lens looks perfectly normal to me, no bifocal at all and no odd paralax.

I wish I could download a copy of the photo and I can highlight it, but I'll leave that to the pros.
I see exactly what you are saying now...sick find

This explains him looking at people in all weird little angles.

If history tells us anything, those sun glasses were flushed down a toilet and currently clogging up a Harrah's hotel pipes
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06-04-2015 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jankynoname
Yes, from our angle it is on the left side, but his right. It's not super obvious (which is I guess why it worked). But if you look at the reflection in his right lens you can see the dealer, right? You can make out the dealer's right arm and right hand. Then just to the right of that you can see her left arm, but no left hand. I believe that's probably because her left hand is distorted by the magnification disc. To me it looks like the disc is a perfect circle, not the entire lower part of the glasses like a standard bifocal. His left lens looks perfectly normal to me, no bifocal at all and no odd paralax.

I wish I could download a copy of the photo and I can highlight it, but I'll leave that to the pros.
The photographer will have much higher-res (prob 4mb raw files) for the photos which will be a lot more clear they have a much better change, you could highlight on the photo i've blown up and they can try to look on their actual high-res images...
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06-04-2015 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jankynoname
Yes, from our angle it is on the left side, but his right. It's not super obvious (which is I guess why it worked). But if you look at the reflection in his right lens you can see the dealer, right? You can make out the dealer's right arm and right hand. Then just to the right of that you can see her left arm, but no left hand. I believe that's probably because her left hand is distorted by the magnification disc. To me it looks like the disc is a perfect circle, not the entire lower part of the glasses like a standard bifocal. His left lens looks perfectly normal to me, no bifocal at all and no odd paralax.

I wish I could download a copy of the photo and I can highlight it, but I'll leave that to the pros.
bro, you can (at least i can) see both of his hands, he's shuffling the cards with 2 hands close to each other.
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06-04-2015 , 07:24 PM
Regardless, do you not see what he's talking about? I certainly do.
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06-04-2015 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by azimma
why wear a sun shade if not to hide your eyes ? I can see their eyes through these sun shades

oh for a style? no we are not fooled
Go out into the hall at WSOP. Blue Shark Optics will explain it to you.
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06-04-2015 , 07:32 PM
why are there reflections of pocket aces in both lenses when he's not looking at his hand
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06-04-2015 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by RJPoker
Troll? I am at home in FL recuperating from 6 surgeries and missing the beginning of the WSOP. I hope to make it out soon and enjoy the series. I am also an attorney and am laughing my butt off as I see dollar signs for some Nevada attorney who is hoping that there is no proof of cheating after Connor made the classic mistake of posting this cheating allegation. If it is not true, or cannot be substantiated, then it is classic defamation of character and libel per se. My post was meant to curtail this allegation but it has gone viral.

Coca has numerous cashes in Europe and his GPI is 777. If the allegations cannot be substantiated then he has an excellent civil lawsuit. The non-lawyers seem to think that his Czech cheating allegations would have some bearing on a Nevada civil action. Any decent attorney would be able to keep those allegations out of the litigation as there is no criminal or civil action ever filed against Coca.

Connor and his poker buds that suspect cheating should just keep quiet and let Jack do his job. Undoubtedly the Nevada Gaming Commission has taken the lead in the investigation. If the NGC does not substantiate cheating then Connor is in a very poor legal position.

On the balance of probabilities, not beyond reasonable doubt.
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06-04-2015 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by jankynoname
Yes, from our angle it is on the left side, but his right. It's not super obvious (which is I guess why it worked). But if you look at the reflection in his right lens you can see the dealer, right? You can make out the dealer's right arm and right hand. Then just to the right of that you can see her left arm, but no left hand. I believe that's probably because her left hand is distorted by the magnification disc. To me it looks like the disc is a perfect circle, not the entire lower part of the glasses like a standard bifocal. His left lens looks perfectly normal to me, no bifocal at all and no odd paralax.

I wish I could download a copy of the photo and I can highlight it, but I'll leave that to the pros.
wow... unless this photo has been altered as a joke/troll, that's very interesting. anyone that wants to see what CSI - NVG man discovered, just click on VIEW at top of internet explorer, then zoom then 300%. Look at lens on his right eye. easy to see that distorted part of the lense where something is different.

can someone that understands card marking process explain why a part of your sunglasses would look like this ?

Last edited by PTLou; 06-04-2015 at 07:49 PM.
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06-04-2015 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
why are there reflections of pocket aces in both lenses when he's not looking at his hand

Photoshop on that pic
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06-04-2015 , 07:46 PM
you can clearly see the disc on Tcarnage's pic. However Darkmattersman's pic is different, there are pocket aces in the lenses.

On a computer select the pic, and press control and + a few times to enlarge it. The disc is clear as day. It can only be seen on Tcarnage's copy.
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06-04-2015 , 07:49 PM
Cheating, amateur imaging forensics and a condescending lawyer. This thread has it all!

Last edited by jfez; 06-04-2015 at 07:55 PM. Reason: "disc" on glasses is optical illusion imo
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06-04-2015 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Playbig2000
you can clearly see the disc on Tcarnage's pic. However Darkmattersman's pic is different, there are pocket aces in the lenses.

On a computer select the pic, and press control and + a few times to enlarge it. The disc is clear as day. It can only be seen on Tcarnage's copy.
darmattersmans pic was shopped as a joke. pretty good shop skills,
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06-04-2015 , 07:51 PM
All kinds of bifocals out there. For example a "progressive" lens (see below) may have several zones and, while they aren't supposed to have lines like traditional bifocals, the "suspicious disc" may just be a change in focus along the lens surface. The guy looks to be in his 50s and it would make sense for him to have varied-focal-length eyeglasses.

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06-04-2015 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by eobmtns
All kinds of bifocals out there. For example a "progressive" lens (see below) may have several zones and, while they aren't supposed to have lines like traditional bifocals, the "suspicious disc" may just be a change in focus along the lens surface. The guy looks to be in his 50s and it would make sense for him to have varied-focal-length eyeglasses.


only on one lens ?
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