Let's calm ourselves here. I've not played on 888 in the last 6 months and I heard it through the grapevine about the 888 bannings before it was ever posted on 2+2. Just because OP is social and knows other players who was banned is not a proof that he, or they, were involved in anything nefarious.

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Kahn

ty kahn

adjusted,

i've played poker professionally since 2013, i've lived in 4 different countries, had roommates, tried to meet other poker players who lived in the same area, , met poker playing friends of my poker playing friends ect... live events, everything. I take it you were never forced or decided to relocate and live in a poker "hotspot", these arent friends i made through poker client chats, they are from going outside in the world

...it seems to be a common thing in the thread that the ability to play poker honestly and having friends are two mutually exclusive things, wtf kind of logic is that

if my posts itt seem salt it's bc i am, these poker sites do w/e the **** they want, they make no REAL effort towards providing fair games and occasionally do stupid **** like this and straight up steal from players, and without fail every single time a bunch of ppl who literally have no idea what they are talking about come in and spout nonsense

My account was blocked right during the game, in the mail I found the same letter as the rest:

"Dear Milena,

This is the Operations Team at 888poker and we are contacting you with regards to your account with username "Drimcatcher".

As you may be aware we carry out security checks on all of our members at some point during their membership with us. During a security check on your account we have been alerted to suspicious game play indicating that the use of Artificial Intelligence may be involved.

The use of Artificial Intelligence is strictly against our terms and conditions and will not be tolerated on our site. This email is to inform you that we no longer require your membership on any site owned or operated by Cassava Enterprises.

Please refrain from opening any further accounts as these too will be closed from use and no monies refunded.

Regards
Operations Team
operations@cassava.net
888poker"

I've sent an email, but I still have not received an answer. What's happening? For what software were blocked so many players? I use only HM2. Please give us an explanation and details of investigation!

Is it possible to compile a list of 2+2 screennames of the affected players, or even just provide a relatively accurate headcount of them, so we can see how widespread the issue is?
I think someone suggested that the total amount of money seized runs into tens of thousands of dollars, so this could be a pretty big story. It would be nice to get some numbers/facts sorted before it's all over NVG.

I posted this in NVG, the mods moved it here, so i'm not sure we'll see it there.

Based on the amount of posts here itt as well as the 888 support thread + what i've seen in skype chats, it seems like a fair amount of regs have been banned (far more than have posted in either thread) but i'm not sure it will be easy to gather even a decent sized list considering how many non english speakers (there are threads in other language forums though) it also affected

Judging by the number of affected people, I'm thinking easy 6 figures.

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Kahn

It's not hard to build up your poker circle, have connections, and hear about things going on (such as this) in the community within your own group because an individual in your poker group is involved with another poker group.

It is a very small community, and just because you haven't exposed yourself to it (lol, n=1) does not mean it is suspicious.

FFS, this is so ridiculous that it's hardly worth addressing, but I'll try to make a few points without turning it into a rant.

Having this thread as a stand-alone thread in IP is hardly "hiding it". Yes, NVG is significantly busier, but this is still one of the busiest forums on 2+2, and it's also the one that everyone who wants to discuss online poker rooms comes to, so I wouldn't be surprised if more people who play on 888, or would be likely to play there in the future, will see this thread here than they would in NVG. Either way, suggesting it's "hidden" in this forum is laughable.

This thread was moved when it had a handful of posts. At the time, I'd say it was an extremely standard move - IP is always the home for threads where people have had an issue with their account. OP mentioning that other accounts were banned made it potentially newsworthy and thus a possible fit for NVG as well, but a move it here was not surprising given that OP was the only actual banned person to have posted at that point.

As for "any ecconomic reasons", I guess you don't spend a lot of time on 2+2, or you'd know there have been, and currently are, hundreds of threads that are critical of many, many poker sites that advertise on 2+2. At this very moment on the front page of NVG, I see one about Stars and one about Party, two of our biggest advertisers, that are dedicated to criticism of those sites, and two more about Stars VIP/rewards that are filled with all sorts of critical posts as well.

So no, as always, economic reasons have not played any part in the location of this, or any other, thread.

As alluded to above, the thread has evolved some since it was created. I think it's fine here, but if you feel strongly that this thread, or a new one with a summary of some of the other posts included in the OP as well, belong in NVG, feel free to contact an NVG mod or make a post here:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...hread-1285169/

Asking about doing one of those things.

yeah , i dont think they moved it to hide anything, at most 888 has banners or smt, but they are usually okay with letting us bash sites when we have legitimate gripes with them, ty for link bobo

OP said his circle was 50k alone, so definitely six figures combined.

i think this is the major problem with nvg (rants > facts) and the reason why this sub is better (even 'less' ppl see it)

Have they supplied details of the regulator to complain to? I think it's Gibraltar. They have to justify fully if there's a complaint.

"Dear ROMAN,

This is the Operations Team at 888poker and we are contacting you with regards to your account with username "homoludenz".

As you may be aware we carry out security checks on all of our members at some point during their membership with us. During a security check on your account we have been alerted to suspicious game play indicating that the use of Artificial Intelligence may be involved.

The use of Artificial Intelligence is strictly against our terms and conditions and will not be tolerated on our site. This email is to inform you that we no longer require your membership on any site owned or operated by Cassava Enterprises.

Please refrain from opening any further accounts as these too will be closed from use and no monies refunded. "

The same situation. I've wrote them few days ago, and still didn't get an explanation about it. I was really shocked, becouse I've played firstly on 888 and after my first game, they banned me.

Weird situation

However, i saw few russian/ukranian women's name in letters here.

For me personally it looks very suspicious.

Look it up for us and post the link?

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Kahn

Per your request, I have asked Bobo to move the thread back to NVG.

wow, the poker sites are doing everything they can to make it hard for us players to trust them gl to the persons involved in this

OP broke the rules and knows he did. 888 didn't make an error. They are too successful and making too much money to ban people. Regardless of what OP makes in rakeback or even if he's a crusher, it's poker. 888 is making money off of him, they wouldn't ban him unless they had a reason and you know I'm right

The most pity is that innocent people are banned. But pure bot Wormler is still playing

Just created an account on 888 via affiliate. Havent made any deposits before sending them info to verify my account , 1 month later got banned without explanation. I haven't played a single hand there. Am i a bot also lol?

Not surprised at all, some shady **** going on. I'm convinced more than ever it's an affiliate thing if this is true.

I don't know OP but Do you know the false positive concept?
I think they don't deserve a cutting "and no monies refunded"

It may be that 888 are cleaning house of any suspect accounts before some new rules from the UKGC kick in - those rules include clarity on what they do with seized funds and compensation to cheated players plus reporting to the UKGC on all suspended accounts and the financial impact of those accounts on other players.

The new rules cover not just bots and collusion but third party software (clarifying what is allowed and what is not primarily).

Those new rules come fully in to force on 1 October 2017.

They are detailed here:
http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk...-June-2017.pdf

It is the output from a consultation and explains what they are implementing. It's quite long so I will not cut and paste here but it is section 12 & 13 = p25-31 of this PDF - with the timescales for implementation summarised at the end.

i was thinking the same thing. good to hear a site is taking action against bots.
but there is obviously more to it in this case. it really sounds like some shady moneygrab the way it is described here...

could be they try to get rid of certain affiliates or their AI detection techniques are just not very advanced, lol.

I mean this has to be reasonably reliable proof that they've made a huge mistake?

btw several ppl have already gotten emails along the line of " our decision is final, no money will be refunded, we wont respond to further messages ect."

best case scenario is they have no idea what they're doing, and in the process of absentmindedly flailing their arms around they've accidentally banned a bunch of innocent customers, stolen their money and are now ignoring them.

worst case scenario is strikingly similar, but dont have enough evidence to suggest it has anything to do with affiliate payments or winning players, although there seems to be a pattern

also, thank you mods for moving the thread to nvg