This is a very good point. I suspect the main reason he could very well be the first president prosecuted is exactly because he’s out of step with the zeitgeist. Which has me concerned. I don’t think the real reason he will be prosecuted is his racism, xenophobia, or history of sexual assault, again all common for presidents, I think it is because he is out of step with the zeitgeist.

You say that like it's an anomaly. We don't tar and feather people any more, because it's "out of step with he zeitgeist". Sure, we can use the concept of the zeitgeist to judge historical figures in their own context, but it doesn't give our contemporaries carte blanche to engage in behaviour just because it was accepted 300 years ago.

+1

I always wondered if this was a satire account.

You almost had me.

The reality is he won't be prosecuted by the Biden administration. That actually does set a shaky precedent because in 4 years when the next populist republican gets in with a GOP house/senate and scotus Biden will go directly to jail.

That being said, states are states and should do what they need to do.

There has to be some consequences for going this far beyond the pale. I guess. Maybe I'm just naive and this is the way things have always been and Trump is just not subtle.

No, we should not send an ex President to prison. It would set an awful precident. Even if he did try to steal the election.
As long as it remains this farcical attempt to overturn the results through the courts and doesn't turn into an armed coup attempt.
But yes, he should most definitely be dragged through the courts so as all his bs is highlighted and exposed. And after he's found guilty, I would assume, his punishment should be no access to government security briefings and to be shut out from all government functions enjoyed by ex presidents and to never be allowed to run for any political office again.

The country will never heal If he's left completely unpunished.
That would only reinforce in the minds of His cult following that he was wronged and that the election was stolen from him and that would spell the slow death of American democracy if that's not confronted as soon as possible.

I assume you let the State of New York do it if its for tax crimes, fraud etc including his kids. If you want to prosecute him over Russia or stuff in the office than I say No

you dont prosecute him for anything political obviously.

but you absolutely prosecute him for the dozens of frauds he's run over the last decade or more, and you prosecute any of his kids that violated laws.

Sure. We have a whole billion dollar apolitical criminal justice system that is supposed to handle stuff like this. If an ambitious DA has enough evidence of clear and specific crimes to get a grand jury to indict I see no reason why Trump should get special treatment. We've thrown mayors, governors and attorneys general in jail before.

This would be an outstanding precedent. Start with W and then throw Trump’s ass in jail. Prosecuting these sleazebags should be a regular feature of our democracy. We were soft on Nixon and Reagan and look where it got us.

I think you need to say 'you don't want to see any deterrence'.


if i am future POTUS TrumpJr facing a second term loss what deterrence is there to me, to call in every Republican loyalist both pre and post election and set the stage for ignoring the votes and instead installing electors?

It failed for Trump this time as some Republicans said 'no that is a bridge too far' but if they all know that the only consequence is 'if it works we keep power and tell libs to "get over it"' and if we lose there is no punishment, then why not try it?

There are legal means to contest an election results and illegal means to try and coerce an election vote overthrow.

Those boundaries where pushed far beyond here and the Courts need to make those lines clear.

Heck I might even support Trump and these lines being tried to establish the boundaries and then Biden commuting any sentence Trump might get as I do think a former US POTUS in jail might be something America and the World are not ready for.

Stories don't end without the villain getting his comeuppance. It would seem you'd rather leave the villain around to do more villainy rather than actually wrapping up the story.

Yes, but not just him.

Seems like Trump should be given the same treatment he gave to his predecessor. Oh, what's that? Trump accused Obama and Biden of committing treason and demanded his AG investigate and arrest them? Wow, guess he's about to be in for a rough ride.

This

Trump Derangement Syndrome ITT

Unless being obnoxious on Twitter is a crime, I'm not so sure dems actually want to bring much attention to the supposed shenanigans that Trump has been accused of. As has been pointed out countless times, Trump didn't write the book on anything. He's been playing the same game as his predecessors. Do you want to tie the hands of President Harris when she continues the POTUS tradition in her blue jersey?

lmao, there's Trump Derangement Syndrome in that post alright.

Anyway, I have the very spicy take that presidents shouldn't be above the law. I had that view before Trump took office and I still have it now, and I'll still have it after the next administration leaves office.

Nuremberg

Au contraire

Punishing the wicked sets a good precedent

Lol

What crimes has he committed?

This week?

How about Sedition.

In one of the first tests of freedom of speech, the House passed the Sedition Act, permitting the deportation, fine, or imprisonment of anyone deemed a threat or publishing “false, scandalous, or malicious writing” against the government of the United States. cite

That can certainly be tested with his now proven false accusations that States rigged the election.


Over his term the list is much longer.

He’s not as bad as hitler and the nazis come on.

What is the point of the Constitution if Trump isn't prosecuted for anything at all? Tax laws?