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03-20-2020 , 05:38 AM
Yes, China needs to take responsibility. We also know this from past pandemic threats that we can trace to the lax bio-security in Chinese agriculture and food production (2003 SARS outbreak). If China gets on-board with this, we would also have a much higher chance at fighting these trends in other parts of the world.

However, name-calling and pointing fingers will never accomplish this. It is simply not something that the CCP responds to in a constructive way. For that matter, it is not really a tactic that gets anything done in diplomacy.

It is also fairly transparent that this is something that politicians like Trump (he is not alone in this after all) do in order to make excuses for their own failures and distract the debate regarding these. Regardless if an outbreak starts in place A, you can still make catastrophic errors in place B that makes it worse.
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03-20-2020 , 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by MrWookie
It doesn't also need a description that intentionally stigmatizes people.
Those who would buy into that stigma, were already that way before this was an issue. Ignoring it, and not making it a part of national discourse is the way to go....but the left falls into this trap, again. It's very likely that 99% of the people who hear the term won't stigmatize Asians, and he is astute enough to realize that the left would be going bat **** crazy over what we are calling it, during a national emergency, knowing that most people don't put that much thought into the name of the virus.

I think Luckbox nailed it, he's not doing this to pander to racist, he's doing it to troll people like you.

Last edited by itshotinvegas; 03-20-2020 at 08:36 AM.
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03-20-2020 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by itshotinvegas
Those who would buy into that stigma, were already that way before this was an issue. Ignoring it, and not making it a part of national discourse is the way to go....but the left falls into this trap, again.



I think Luckbox nailed it, he's not doing this to pander to racist, he's doing it to troll people like you.
That's not quite my argument though. The purpose would be to create some more or less meaningless bs for the media to run with--a distraction more or less. I think it's more calculated than pure trolling.

Last edited by Luckbox Inc; 03-20-2020 at 08:55 AM.
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03-20-2020 , 09:16 AM
Ah, woke America is discussing the important questions again. How can we make a pandemic about racism? Isn't there a chance to make it also about sexism and/or ****/transphobia? You can find those issues if you look hard enough. I have faith in you, woke America.

Last edited by Sugar Nut; 03-20-2020 at 09:17 AM. Reason: lol at h0m0 getting censored. 2p2 confirmed h0m0phobic
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03-20-2020 , 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
Yes, China needs to take responsibility. We also know this from past pandemic threats that we can trace to the lax bio-security in Chinese agriculture and food production (2003 SARS outbreak). If China gets on-board with this, we would also have a much higher chance at fighting these trends in other parts of the world.

However, name-calling and pointing fingers will never accomplish this. It is simply not something that the CCP responds to in a constructive way. For that matter, it is not really a tactic that gets anything done in diplomacy.

It is also fairly transparent that this is something that politicians like Trump (he is not alone in this after all) do in order to make excuses for their own failures and distract the debate regarding these. Regardless if an outbreak starts in place A, you can still make catastrophic errors in place B that makes it worse.
Pretty much this. Regardless of whether China needs to tighten up bio-security in agriculture and food production (and I assume it does), that's not why Trump is calling it a Chinese virus. Trump is calling it a Chinese virus to deflect blame from himself. I don't think that is debatable.
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03-20-2020 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Luckbox Inc
It isn't the bigots he's pandering to. I'm pretty sure it's the opposite.
I almost never agree with Luckbox, but he may have a point here. I'm pretty sure Trump would prefer to have the debate focus on whether "Chinese virus" is racist than have it focus on the Xs and Os of the administration's response to the pandemic.
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03-20-2020 , 10:56 AM
It's nationalist bullshit to call it that.

The US is being infected by a US strain so call it USA no.1 virus then:

https://nextstrain.org/ncov
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03-20-2020 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar Nut
Ah, woke America is discussing the important questions again. How can we make a pandemic about racism? Isn't there a chance to make it also about sexism and/or ****/transphobia? You can find those issues if you look hard enough. I have faith in you, woke America.
It's quite remarkable to see MSM and many with whitehouse credentials turn this in to some desperate attempt at soundbite/clickbait moments of "drama" as if they are some amateur gossip blogs. Maybe get over it while there is real stories out there. Of course this idiotic nonsense is right in the wheelhouse of many 2p2 politics regs that have the social skills of your average adult wwe fan who is actually emotionally invested in the outcomes at wrestlemania

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03-20-2020 , 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar Nut
Ah, woke America is discussing the important questions again. How can we make a pandemic about racism? Isn't there a chance to make it also about sexism and/or ****/transphobia? You can find those issues if you look hard enough. I have faith in you, woke America.
No, because the virus kills men at a higher rate than women.
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03-20-2020 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
No, because the virus kills men at a higher rate than women.
Has that ever mattered?


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women have always been the primary victims of war.
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03-20-2020 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Sugar Nut
Ah, woke America is discussing the important questions again. How can we make a pandemic about racism? Isn't there a chance to make it also about sexism and/or ****/transphobia? You can find those issues if you look hard enough. I have faith in you, woke America.
Ah yes, how can we blame this on the left instead of the guy making this about the Chinese to mask his failures?
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03-20-2020 , 01:03 PM
I have no problem calling it the Chinese virus. This is their fault and the World needs to send them a enormous bill from all the damage this virus has caused.

Their live markets selling exotic animals is why we are in this mess. We knew after SARS this was going to happen again so it was preventable. The world need to start putting real pressure on China to end their destructive eating and "medicine" habits. The toll on wildlife is reason enough to shame the Chinese to change their ways.

If we don't make China stop this madness and we survive this virus we will be in the same situation again in a few years with a new virus.
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03-20-2020 , 01:44 PM
Would Russian Collusion be racist? Should it not be Putin Collusion ( I am not saying I agree with this but....)
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03-20-2020 , 01:48 PM
An upside to all this is that pollution is down thus slowing global warming. I give the Chinese credit where it is due.
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03-20-2020 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by campfirewest
An upside to all this is that pollution is down thus slowing global warming. I give the Chinese credit where it is due.
Yeah the satellite photos look great
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03-20-2020 , 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Rococo
I almost never agree with Luckbox, but he may have a point here. I'm pretty sure Trump would prefer to have the debate focus on whether "Chinese virus" is racist than have it focus on the Xs and Os of the administration's response to the pandemic.
and Liberals would much rather have this debate than to even consider giving aid to all the people about to be homeless in the next few weeks.
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03-20-2020 , 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
It's quite remarkable to see MSM and many with whitehouse credentials turn this in to some desperate attempt at soundbite/clickbait moments of "drama" as if they are some amateur gossip blogs. Maybe get over it while there is real stories out there. Of course this idiotic nonsense is right in the wheelhouse of many 2p2 politics regs that have the social skills of your average adult wwe fan who is actually emotionally invested in the outcomes at wrestlemania

lol juan is acting like its news that mainstream media is racist as hell. like ya bro, thats what we have been saying!
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03-20-2020 , 02:17 PM
I talked to one of my trump voter friends yesterday--His greeting was Hey, how ya doing with the ChinaVirus? lol And his new favorite news source is OAN Good times
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03-20-2020 , 02:47 PM
There are like 2 clips in that whole thing that are even slightly problematic. Calling it the Wuhan coronavirus before it had an official name, which was the entire first half of that video, is normal practice. Then the second half is basically all reporting on "China's coronavirus outbreak" from before it had spread throughout the rest of the world, which again is not remotely similar to actually calling the virus the "Chinese virus". Hell even the clips that were actually naming the virus Chinese were calling it the "Chinese coronavirus", which is bad but still not even close to just straight up calling it the "Chinese virus".

Even by the standards of the tweets juan posts that video is awful. Anyone who actually thinks that video is accurately pointing out significant hypocrisy is delusional.
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03-20-2020 , 03:24 PM
The only proper name for it and its manifestations is the Communist Chinese Pandemic , the inexorable miasma of an autocratic power of suppression.
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03-20-2020 , 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
It's quite remarkable to see MSM and many with whitehouse credentials turn this in to some desperate attempt at soundbite/clickbait moments of "drama" as if they are some amateur gossip blogs. Maybe get over it while there is real stories out there. Of course this idiotic nonsense is right in the wheelhouse of many 2p2 politics regs that have the social skills of your average adult wwe fan who is actually emotionally invested in the outcomes at wrestlemania

Yeah man, lots of people called it whatever when it didn't have a name. Then it got one, and the adults in the room started using that one.
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03-20-2020 , 04:18 PM
So a name as deeply racist as Chinese Virus is OK to use if you don't know what else to call it? Doesn't sound very adult to me. At least not if you're signifying yourself as an adult in order to disparage your political opponents as acting childishly.
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03-20-2020 , 04:22 PM
Had anyone answered that if we're naming it specifically to shame some entity, why can't we call it the Trump virus?
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03-20-2020 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Huehuecoyotl
Had anyone answered that if we're naming it specifically to shame some entity, why can't we call it the Trump virus?
Is Trump responsible for Italy?
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03-20-2020 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by joe6pack
Is Trump responsible for Italy?
He is for the American response so it seems we can have an American variation calling it the Trump virus while the rest of the world calls it something else. We're already doing that calling it the Chinese virus when the world is calling it something different
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