I looked quickly, but I really can't find any demographic shift since 2004 as notable or large as non morons leaving the republican party.

Sure, whatever, but you claimed Clinton and Biden won white college educated people by large margins and that's objectively false

Trump picked up Snoop Dogg tho.

Lol no. Raw exit polls are about the most inaccurate polling there is. I already posted the actual analysis in another thread, which is how I knew the numbers off the top of my head.

Lol@ objective fact= 1 raw exit poll! I would be shocked that someone quoting polls knows so little about them in the pre Trump era. Now this level of ignorance seems almost normal.

Here is an article citing your exact bad exit poll and explaining why it massively overestimates Trump's white college support. Turns out that there is no evidence shy Trump supporters exist, but about 30% of non college whites were embarrassed enough about their lack of education to lie about in 2016 and 2020. That trump lost college educated whites by a large margin is not really up for debate, but unfortunately might not be understandable to someone who didn't already know the myriad of issues with raw exit polling.

What you don’t seem to understand is the Democratic Party has gone so far left that the college educated suburban families will not vote for Biden no matter what. It’s true most of them, myself included, do not like or support Trump. However, if he is the only choice other than Biden, we will be forced to vote for him. “Lesser of two evils” has never been more true.

what about biden is too far left in your opinion?

Biden is on the very right of the Democratic party (I would say from 1 to 100 where Manchin is 100 and the squad is 1, Biden is 90).

He is still very far to the left on the environment compared to the median democrat in 2008.

But Biden per se is decent and fine.

Problem is the people around him make most of the important decisions and they are very leftists.

So some people who dislike leftism are correctly scared about the prospects of another Biden presidency.

Except they fail to realize the damage would be very limited with a republican majority senate.

But Biden beat Trump by double digits with white college educated voters and college educated voters in general. He won white non college voters by over 30 both times. Obviously the statement that the uneducated and generally kinda dumb are into the culture wars js well supported both by data and with conversations with people who think Dems are radicals.

California and other states banned the sale of fossil fuel cars from 2035.

That's not radical?

not particularly. used cars are still a thing, plus it's fine to register new cars from other states for those that refuse to buy used.

for every 1 "radical" democrat proposed law i can certainly find you 2-3 even more "radical" republican ones.

as a progressive i wish things like this were remotely true.

What are your radical republican laws
I’ll give you abortion but most Republicans support 12-16 weeks which is reasonable

Hm ok please find some republican laws, or laws proposal, that were never part of the american legal landscape (=radical, extreme, a complete break with status quo and tradition).

Fossil fuel cars are a core part of american identity , your whole country is designed with then in mind, a proposal.to ban their sale is as radical as banning apple pie would be.

Or what you had in mind was just some attempt to get back to how things were not too long ago?

Wow. You really need to talk to Luckbox. He believes that there are no leftists in the U.S. political landscape. You, on the other hand, think the U.S. political landscape is dominated by leftists.

IMO, he is closer to correct than you are.

just off the top of my head quickly-

you have multiple states trying to get 14 yr old children into working longer hours.

there are multiple states still fighting about bathrooms.

Florida is trying to pass a law that will siphon money from the DMV to give to Trump's legal team.

multiple red states have ****ed over their own citizens pension funds by refusing to allow investments in energy sectors.

you have multiple states banning education about diversity

states are trying to pass nonsense laws to make it illegal to leave the state for abortion healthcare.

Hm not sure where you read in my post above that "the us political landscape is dominated by leftists".

Democrats are only one third approx of American adults, saying Biden is, among them, on the very right is still saying approx 65% of Americans are on his right.

As I said in another thread the USA is actually one of the few countries left where significant pockets of actual right-wing-ness exist.

It's hard to think of a country where the median adult is as much libertarian leaning as in the USA (still not very much, but more than elsewhere)

Republicans propose crazy legislation all the time, especially (but not exclusively) at the state level. Here is an example:

https://apnews.com/article/desantis-...2696455d0c4372

And here is a proposal to allow fathers to sue doctors who perform abortions for wrongful death.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politic...ns-1234940533/

Would you like me to find 5000 other examples?

this is a really silly frame. if the state of Texas proposed a bill to allow slavery it wouldn't be radical under your framework because slavery is a core part of american identity, but switching away from fossil fuels is radical..

So hm having bathroom linked to biological sex like it was almost everywhere for almost all American history is radical.

Allowing teenagers to work normal hours as it was the case almost everywhere for almost all of american history is radical.

Banning racism in education is radical: ye this might be true, America has a very racist past so cutting the ties with it would indeed be radical

It would be, as slavery has been deemed unconstitutional through an actual constitutional amendment (unlike roe v Wade), so going explicitly against the constitution would be really radical, definitionally

I was more referring to federal laws because if we add in state laws I’m sure we could expand the left list but there are some crazy ones on your list

Republicans can’t say that’s their position because their radicalized non educated base will turn on them.

Niki Haley has said that and many other republicans. Democrats will not go to 14-18 weeks either they want abortions one day before the baby is born.

I don’t really see how we can continue if you don’t even accept that Biden won white college grads by 10 plus. Seems like you can just make up whatever you want and blame being a cultural conservative if anyone proves you wrong

That’s false and you’re proving my point. This is not something that will work on people who went to college as you are just lying about democrats. You’re lying about Haley as well but we can chalk that up to poor language skills or whatever.