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Old 07-05-2019, 01:54 PM   #151
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If you're a millionaire you're not (and never will be) an ally of the left. So no "advice" you give has any value. If any millionaire feels comfortable voting for the democrats then they are doing something very wrong (which they have been for decades).
This would be true if the Democrats were actually the left. In truth Democrats are very conducive for rich elites, which is why so many of them are staunch democratic supporters.

It isnít like all the dumb poor southern Whites who vote republicans to fleece them.

Rich, liberal Democrats know exactly what is going on.
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Old 07-05-2019, 03:16 PM   #152
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If you're a millionaire you're not (and never will be) an ally of the left. So no "advice" you give has any value. If any millionaire feels comfortable voting for the democrats then they are doing something very wrong (which they have been for decades).
Where is the cutoff? Can a $999,999.99 -aire be an ally of the left? I need to know.
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Old 07-05-2019, 03:19 PM   #153
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If you're a millionaire you're not (and never will be) an ally of the left. So no "advice" you give has any value. If any millionaire feels comfortable voting for the democrats then they are doing something very wrong (which they have been for decades).
Many young liberals are (future) millionaires, their parents just haven't dropped dead yet.
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Old 07-05-2019, 03:26 PM   #154
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Also, is the thing they are doing wrong voting for democrats or not giving all their money away? Something else?
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Old 07-05-2019, 03:51 PM   #155
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I assumed that tom meant the Democrats were doing something wrong if millionaires were comfortable voting for them, not that the millionaires were doing something wrong.

I don't really agree with tom's view that millionaires can't be allies of the left but I understand the point that Democratic polices in general should be such that they are less favourable for millionaires due to them resulting in a fairer wealth distribution and if this isn't the case then from the point of view of the actual left they are doing something very wrong.
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If you're a millionaire you're not (and never will be) an ally of the left. So no "advice" you give has any value. If any millionaire feels comfortable voting for the democrats then they are doing something very wrong (which they have been for decadesh).
George Soros

Tom Steyer

Donald Sussman

James Simons

Michael Bloomberg

Mark Warner

Diane Feinstein

Nancy Pelosi

Bernie Sanders

Elizabeth Warren

To name a very few

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Old 07-07-2019, 07:10 PM   #157
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Most of those names are absolutely not friends of the left. Pelosi Feinstein Bloomberg are laughable.
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Old 07-07-2019, 08:08 PM   #158
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LeBron

Lol at litmus testing successful people for left card carrying purposes
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Old 07-07-2019, 09:27 PM   #159
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Most of those names are absolutely not friends of the left. Pelosi Feinstein Bloomberg are laughable.
This is the primary reason Trump has a shot in 2020. Those people aren't left enough for the current screechers in the Dem party that control the drumbeat of the media. It's bonkers how far you've pushed the envelope in 10 short years since Obama ran on a platform that opposed gay marriage, among other things that would be considered sacrilege today.
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Old 07-08-2019, 02:22 AM   #160
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If you're a millionaire you're not (and never will be) an ally of the left. So no "advice" you give has any value. If any millionaire feels comfortable voting for the democrats then they are doing something very wrong (which they have been for decades).

Given that most democrats on the national stage are millionaires, I doubt they will be correcting their errors anytime soon.
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Old 07-08-2019, 05:06 AM   #161
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Given that most democrats on the national stage are millionaires, I doubt they will be correcting their errors anytime soon.
For real. The democratic party is a very large barrier to real social change in america. Possibly more so than the republican party. It blocks left wing energy where it can (bernie) and absorbs and dissipates it where it can't (obama). In a normal political system the democratic party would be the centre right business friendly party standing as a check on the possible excesses of a truly leftwing movement. The idea that the democrats are left wing in any wing speaks to how distorted and broken the US political landscape is.
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Old 07-08-2019, 05:58 AM   #162
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This is the primary reason Trump has a shot in 2020. Those people aren't left enough for the current screechers in the Dem party that control the drumbeat of the media. It's bonkers how far you've pushed the envelope in 10 short years since Obama ran on a platform that opposed gay marriage, among other things that would be considered sacrilege today.
Yes health care for all is a totally bonkers idea.

Meanwhile an overwhelming portion of Dem Congress members voted to give more money to the child abusers running concentration camps for profit.
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Old 07-08-2019, 09:28 AM   #163
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Yeah comments like 'it's impossible to be a millionaire and and an ally of the left' are what scares me about this political moment. We're in very real danger of RAPIDLY pivoting from right wing populism (which lets be clear is mega stupid) to left wing populism. Left wing populism is absolutely trash at economics as well.

We need to cut our healthcare spending down to 12-13% and our military spending down to 2-3%, and then we need to raise taxes on the very wealthy. Then we need to take that money and spend it on Infrastructure (both repairing the existing stuff, building new stuff where it pencils out, and preparing for climate change) basic science research (Warren is right that we need to make sure the tax payer gets a return from this), Education (we need to significantly raise pay for teachers and abolish the teachers unions at the same time so that we can raise accountability and fire the teachers we have now who aren't very good... teaching shouldn't be a job with any job security that isn't attached to being good at the job), and UBI (funded partially through a large carbon tax... which should distribute every dollar it takes in as UBI).

We also need to reform the patent, licensing, and zoning laws down to a tiny fraction of what exists today.
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Old 07-08-2019, 09:36 AM   #164
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ya I would say we are in absolutely no danger of that bc its a fairly minor quibble and its nowhere near a mainstream liberal view. I mean, dems absolutely love millionaires.
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Old 07-08-2019, 10:27 AM   #165
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ya I would say we are in absolutely no danger of that bc its a fairly minor quibble and its nowhere near a mainstream liberal view. I mean, dems absolutely love millionaires.
The Dems are shifting left to match the political sentiments of the younger generations rapidly. In ten years it's hard to say where they'll be. I suspect it'll be much further left.
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Old 07-08-2019, 12:31 PM   #166
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lol sample size, but I live in a very left-leaning area of Wisconsin and my 17 year old son says his age group spends a lot of time laughing at the snowflakes. He's not getting pushed in any directions by me, so this is just his experience in a public high school in an area that voted 85% for Obama twice.

Fires that burn most intensely are also the ones that go out the quickest. Demonizing shoes and calling everyone who isn't lock-step with your radical ideology a racist or sexist is not a great way of making new friends. In a world where police officers are getting kicked out of coffee shops because the patrons don't feel safe with them in there, I can't be the only one asking, "how much longer can this insanity continue?"
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Old 07-08-2019, 12:52 PM   #167
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lol sample size, but I live in a very left-leaning area of Wisconsin and my 17 year old son says his age group spends a lot of time laughing at the snowflakes.
Doesnít seem like a great way to make friends.
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Old 07-08-2019, 01:02 PM   #168
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lol sample size, but I live in a very left-leaning area of Wisconsin and my 17 year old son says his age group spends a lot of time laughing at the snowflakes. He's not getting pushed in any directions by me, so this is just his experience in a public high school in an area that voted 85% for Obama twice.

Fires that burn most intensely are also the ones that go out the quickest. Demonizing shoes and calling everyone who isn't lock-step with your radical ideology a racist or sexist is not a great way of making new friends. In a world where police officers are getting kicked out of coffee shops because the patrons don't feel safe with them in there, I can't be the only one asking, "how much longer can this insanity continue?"
Well, remember a lot of 17 year olds are going to go to 4+ years of ideological radicalization camp (aka college) at some point in the near future, so the litmus test will be how susceptible they are to the radicalization they will most likely receive there. I am not sure which way things are going to go in the near future, and I have a feeling no-one else does either.
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Doesnít seem like a great way to make friends.
True. He's at risk of alienating the people who are offended by patriotic embroidery.

I'm sure this is more of a jaguarfanwhat?.gif situation than actual bullying. Some of the e-mails that come home from the administrators are pretty amusing.
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Old 07-08-2019, 01:07 PM   #170
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Some of the e-mails that come home from the administrators are pretty amusing.
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Old 07-08-2019, 01:17 PM   #171
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lol inso. i love how they get all pearl cluthcy and say "well my beliefs are just different than theirs" and that's why they must be calling me racist.. no. its because you believe in racist ****. dont be racist and you wont get called racist.

also citing the temp police department getting asked to leave a starbucks is the sign of the crazy world, not mentioning that said police department just got done attempting to FRAME a 14yr old kid that they shot in the back and killed two months prior as maybe a better sign that the world is crazy..
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Old 07-11-2019, 09:15 PM   #173
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I haven't had a chance to really look through it, but for reference here is Elizabeth Warren on immigration reform.
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I haven't had a chance to really look through it, but for reference here is Elizabeth Warren on immigration reform.
Only browsed it but at first glance it looks really good. Warren is such a solid candidate imo. Latest NBC poll has her in 2nd place behind Biden.
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I also browsed it and it seems awful. It's essentially open borders—illegal crossing is decriminalized and the idea is to let in whoever wants to come. And she says she'll increase the refugee cap an order of magnitude so that we're importing people from overseas as well. And on top of all this, she wants to give out another 1.5 billion in aid (which always goes right where we expect and intend in these corrupt third-world states). And under her plan immigrants get free health care and she'd set up an auxiliary education system for adult migrants. Then of course throw in the typical rhetoric of "throwing children in cages" while Trump revels in the racist frisson of it all and you have her policy.

I have Warren as the plurality to win right now despite her being a no-charisma, far-left Hillary 2.0, but I think the country will suffer if she does.
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