Maybe you guys live in a bubble and orange man is actually a moderate.... Maybe you wake up and realize one day "wow i am the radical. i am far left. protecting the border is center... guns being legal is center..... no healthcare for illegal immigrants is center.... abortion not being celebrated after 3 months is center.... low taxes is center....."

nah... that cant be right. Orange man is a racist radical, and you guys are the sane, moderates.

I think the real radicals are the friends we made along the way.

I was waiting for that to swerve into "everyone's racist, don't you know"

i would recommend getting back on biden here.

harris is great for sound bites and is a media superstar.

but it seems she gets alot of blowback on specifics of her policy.

i see people are asking her "is bringing back busing part of your platform?". eventually she will have to say "no". and then ultimately the explanation will have to be bad policy, very unpopular with public etc... or if she just avoids answering the Q's, it'll look bad on her.

Harris is the favorite to be the democrat candidate according to the bookmaking sites.

yes, i am attempting to predict the future. i am saying that things will swing back to biden over the medium term (a couple of months). maybe warren benefits too.

i like kamala..... but her big jump in the dem polls/betting has to do with one exchange with biden... the exchange made kamala look good and biden bad. but i think that is disipating as we speak and will continue to do so... kamala got all aggressive about biden ending busing but then when asked it turns she isn't in favor of having busing either. NOT A GOOD LOOK

My post wasn't directed at you. I was letting the thread know the current odds. I don't like either of their chances vs orange man. You need a populist who is genuine and not 70 years old if you want to be drawing live. Go with a radical. anyone raising their hand to give health care to illegal immigrants or someone who seems mentally weaker than orange man (biden bernie) going to be very hard.

True but that is based solely on one debate, basically thanks to one exchange where she cynically implied Biden was a racist. (Say what you want about Biden but he's not a racist.). She was in 4th or 5th on the betting sites before the debates.

The bump Harris has gotten is completely overdone. She's inauthentic and scripted. I don't find her the least bit likeable, and have a hard time seeing her as the eventual nominee. While the post-debate polls show her gaining, she is still well behind Biden in most of the polls, and even behind Warren and Bernie in many of them.

Will she be able to ruthlessly attack superior candidates like Bernie and Warren? Eventually her record and policies will come under attack and she will be exposed. She can't win based on scripted lines about school busing.

Ah realized RCB said pretty much the same thing, I need to read better.

But yeah I agree with RCB, will swing back to Biden UNLESS he has another terrible debate performance at the end of the month. Joe is well liked especially among older voters, but they won't stick with him if he seems too old or is just mailing it in.

Again, she explicitly said she didn't think he was a racist. I can copy the transcript if that helps.

Kamala's point is pretty easy to grasp: cozying up to segregationists in the name of civility or bipartisanship is hurtful to people of color, no matter how well intentioned. It's a theme that should be familiar to readers of this forum.

It's just absurd that the in 2020 Dems might run a candidate who opposed desegregationist school busing programs. I know you want to crow about how Harris is a nasty woman but what did you think was going to happen if the Dems run someone with that kind of baggage?

I think you are being either naive or disingenuous if you are claiming that "I don't think you are a racist, but..." is intended to do anything besides paint him as a racist.

She could have easily criticized his position on busing, or his willingness to collaborate with bad people, without that line. That line was planned and rehearsed (and to her credit it accomplished exactly what she hoped it would).

What the heck is this, Opposite Day? She went out of her way to be as nuanced as possible to protect the feelings of hyper-sensitive Boomers and you’re still crowing about how the mean lady called Joe a racist. Man, do you think Trump is gonna handle Biden with kid gloves in the general election?

“I don’t think you are stupid, but...”

Biden straight up calling out what some would cal “libs” is a strong move.

He’s basically running as what some would call radical centrist.

I think it will work against Trump. I don’t know if it will allow him to survive the primaries.

harris: I don't think you're a racist...

she called him a racist

trump: white supremacists are fine people

he didn't mean it

She can treat Biden any way she wants. It's a debate and she clearly won, and had the better strategy. Joe was woefully unprepared and should have flat out said "Kamala, all due respect but GTFO with that weak 'I do not think you're a racist, BUT' bull****." Instead he stood there and looked weak.

At any rate I'm not even for Biden, all I am saying is that most voters can see through scripted gotcha lines like that, and her huge bump on the wagering sites is way out of line with reality.

Let’s role play this: how would you have made Kamala’s point without hurting the delicate feelings of Boomers?

I am firing my tax lawyer if I ever end up with more than 10 million in ordinary income.

Has the DNC said who will be the candidate of choice for the Superdelegates yet?

I've noticed that describing a female politician by her first name is far more common than the male equivalent and this seems to be rather universal (I've lived in 4 countries with very different cultures). Why do you think that is? I can't help thinking that the UK has already had 2 tory PM's while no woman on the labour side has even come close. Like, I don't know, one side still treats women as quasi-children.

To answer the question though, sexism.

That’s a fair point, but in my defense:

This seems to me to be the correct answer if you want to win an election next Nov.

If you're a millionaire you're not (and never will be) an ally of the left. So no "advice" you give has any value. If any millionaire feels comfortable voting for the democrats then they are doing something very wrong (which they have been for decades).

as i had said, i doubt it hurts biden long-term. i think it only whips up progressives. i could be wrong, but i don't think black democratic voters care that much....

to me, that was a stunt. grand-standing. shocked she got a huge bump out of it. i understand a small to medium bump.

cory booker must have been furious that he wasn't on that night of the debate.

lastly, i'm thinking biden has the "obama put" in his pocket. although maybe obama won't endorse any candidate.