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Right now in the city here they have a goal of having ~3500cops. When you account for guys out sick long-term/leaving/no one wanting to take the job anymore(not exactly getting the creme of the crop in that scenario--just looking for warm bodies

) etc the force is really ~22-2300 iirc. And it's not just a current event--it's been an issue building for years. "Management" has changed numerous times over the(and including several+ times in recent) years. The problems are much deeper than that.

You're off by a factor of 10.

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You mean the vulnerable, disadvantaged groups will feel the brunt of not having a militarized police force riding through their neighborhood in armored vehicles ?

Well, yea. Crime doesn't go up evenly across the board, it's going to spike in the Bronx, Brooklyn North, and upper Manhattan and the people of those neighborhoods get ****ed. If you live in the Upper East Side or Bay Ridge Brooklyn this all has zero impact on your life.

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07-09-2020 , 06:35 PM

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Lots of ideas about police reform have been posted elsewhere. I think social unrest leads to increases in crime. I also think police departments responding to protests by refusing to do their jobs is not something that reflects all that well on them (cf. this paper), but it's also not an argument against reform. You could take it as an argument for reform.

But I actually opened this thread to post this, by way of other ideas:

Joe Biden’s surprisingly visionary housing plan, explained

In general, it fits with the idea I've advocated before of looking for ways to address economic inequality through universal programs. I was also a fan of Booker's baby bonds idea.

The amount of hate they receive is irrelevant, amirite?

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07-09-2020 , 06:50 PM

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You're off by a factor of 10.

Well, yea. Crime doesn't go up evenly across the board, it's going to spike in the Bronx, Brooklyn North, and upper Manhattan and the people of those neighborhoods get ****ed. If you live in the Upper East Side or Bay Ridge Brooklyn this all has zero impact on your life.

No I was talking about the city -here- BMore not NYC

But the problems are kinda similar all over the place.

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07-09-2020 , 07:07 PM

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RFlushDiamonds

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Maybe, maybe not :

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/16/us/ne...ime/index.html

"The uptick in murders is tied to gang and drug activity, with drug dealers fighting over territory, another law enforcement official said. "

"The car theft numbers are part of a national trend as fewer Americans travel and more cars sit idle in driveways and parking garages."

"Over the last month, burglaries have sharply increased, with 1,691 incidents as compared to 759 the year before. Looting incidents that took place during demonstrations earlier in the month are included in the burglaries figure. For the year, burglaries are up 47% compared to this point last year, from 4,480 to 6,595."

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07-09-2020 , 07:19 PM

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Considering how income and wealth are concentrated at the top, it takes a lot less redistribution to move the needle on the median than the mean.

From a socialist with bigger fish to fry but he brings up a good point in regard to normalizing wealth for 90% of the population, which I think could also be applied to reducing/eliminating poverty as well:

https://jacobinmag.com/2020/07/racia...redistribution

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If we are just trying to make it so the “everyday black family” (defined by the median) looks like the “everyday white family,” then that costs very little (0.5 percent of the national wealth) because it ignores all the people who own meaningful amounts of wealth.

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07-09-2020 , 10:22 PM

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No I was talking about the city -here- BMore not NYC

But the problems are kinda similar all over the place.

Oh, oops. NYC is aiming at reducing to a force of 35,000 cops.

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07-10-2020 , 03:24 AM

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You are getting what you want, less police activity. Now what do we do about the lives getting lost, which are going to be disproportionately black. If you don't come up with a message, Trump is going to pin it on the left. I already saw a Trump ad on WaPo hitting Biden for it.

Ban ownership of handguns except in very limited circumstances. Require licenses for operating firearms.

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07-10-2020 , 04:11 AM

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The problem with that idea is obvious, some people don't have any money to keep more of.

Not only that....some seem not understand paying tax bring a collective wealth .
Taxes get lower and lower and the wealth gap get bigger and bigger for decades and the answer for the right is : we need to cut more taxes 0o ....

Hmm yes , reducing taxes didn’t work the last 40 years because the 41 years is the magic one , shrug .

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07-10-2020 , 04:35 AM

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The amount of hate they receive is irrelevant, amirite?

I mean of course it is completely beyond them as individuals to change the public perception. They have absolutely no agency whatsoever, and must continue to behave like pre-programmed robocops who shoot to kill with no regard for humanity. I mean I guess they could just get a better PR team? Or maybe plead with their owners to reprogram them not to kill so wantonly? Or, and this is the most radical of all the proposals, they could just stop behaving like failed soldiers of war and become less murderous?

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