NK has nukes and Donald trump publicly begged to hold Kim's hand and bow to him at every possible turn, legitimizing Kim's reign to the world.

Iran doesn't (at least publicly) have nukes and Trump is talking about how we will do things to them harsher than has ever be done.

if you wanted to run an advertisement that every small country NEEDS to invest money in nuclear weapons, Trump and his admin would be your shinning star.

And it is a lesson for the forces of good how imperative it is not to follow a strategy of appeasement and let evil regimes get weapons.

Or are you a N Korea apologist, and believe there are fine people on both sides?

i'm confused on who you think is following a strategy of appeasement. Iran wasnt developing nuclear weapons under obama and the iran deal, and now they are, and Trump is just yelling on twitter.

when there is military involvement then there won't be appeasement. however that changes nothing wrt countries wanting to get weapons as quickly as possible to be seen as legitimate entities.

Still waiting, WN.

Someone needs to start threatening China and Russia with retaliatory nuclear strikes with weapons they suddenly acquired out of thin air lol (Taiwan, Ukraine, Japan, South Korea would be great candidates lol) and then these two mfers (because have no doubt that Putin and Xi are mfers) might find the guts to declare to the world that in sync with US will invade and disarm any country that is not a democracy with politicians elected regularly and accountable to the population that obtains nuclear weapons or has strong bio chemical weapons industry. Of course what on earth do one expects when these two are tyrants as well. Their only defense is that being such big systems they are not in risk of going down a crazy path due to MAD and they have a lot to lose by entering a nightmare war with other superpowers.

So a big FU you to all the aholes that want to obtain nuclear weapons while also oppressing their people.

There is only one solution and you have to be willing to take it. It is war. It is a necessary war (coordinated financial pressure from all sides or even actual war) to end the regimes and disarm the weapons technology or to make possible a cultural interior revolution that will do it the right way as every civilized country has managed to do in the past. Assassinate eternally all their leaders with covert very potent operations.

A big F U to all that think in the name of political correctness that you do not have the right to think that one system is superior to another (just because you are afraid to agree by accident with some ahole white supremacists that do not even mean it the same way). Yes it is superior. The people as born are not superior but the culture is, the culture that makes impossible the rise of tyrants is a superior culture. And this is why the US with someone like Trump is flirting with the nightmare to undermine its superior cultural character. The culture is not superior across all metrics, it has its problems but overall it is superior to systems that violate human rights persistently or exist in endless infighting and other systems that are only pseudoculturally free but oppress the potential of people with inept leaders, permanent infighting and degenerate institutions in place. It is also inferior to systems that care to make it hard for capitalism and other forces to violate in the name of profit principles that result in higher quality of living for all and enable suppression of freedom in indirect ways.


Iran, N Korea, Venezuela, Cuba and a whole range of other countries in the middle east and elsewhere are ahole systems in different degrees of failure. I would not call them ahole countries because each country has a sacred past and potential in its collective culture, promise, wisdom and people.

Every country that has nuclear ambitions while abusing human rights internally must know that the world will make its existence a nightmare. A big FU to the civilized planet that cannot find the courage to take the risk to experience even a detonation in one of their cities while trying to do the right thing for the future. You will not die because you got a hit. You will however if someone one day can hit all you have.

This planet is doomed if we do not unite soon and remain divided and enabling remote acceptance in terms of population support individuals to have access to enormous destructive power.


Ps: if it makes feel better replace fu with shame on you but i only curse when it matters because shock value is needed sometimes in order to wake up to how bad it can get.

I think it is pretty clear what is happening. Iran is getting choked out by sanctions. They are trying to provoke action from USA.

Sounds like was threatening pretty harsh things to North Korea too before they decided to come to the negotiation table...Is slighted gaslighting or uneducated on how we got to this point with North Korea?

Wow, you sound pretty confident here, almost saying this is like a statement of fact. I doubt you are in Iran checking to see that though....

Didn't realize John Bolton had a 2plus2 account

This part of the prediction seems to come true at least, a political agreement has been reached between the UK, Germany and France to build up a naval presence in the Persian Gulf to protect tankers.

Somewhat interestingly it seems we'll be seeing two operations side by side, an European operation and a US operation. Historically it's a bit of a surprise, but given the current political climate perhaps not so much. US foreign policy at least seems very unstable at this point, partnering up with someone when you don't know what their plan is, if they even have a plan and knowing that their play can change at minutes notice is difficult.

Now we wait to see the developments on nuclear enrichment and perhaps some of those good old Israeli airstrikes (aided by intelligence data which in no way was leaked by someone else).

Even Bolton isn't this Internet ToughGuy-esque... Wow.

It seems like all the U.S. enemy's are joining together. Russian jets with two Chinese bombers invaded South Koreas air space twice today.

How many allies can the States rely on after Trump shat on Nato and just about alienated all friendly countries.

Sorry, I lost track of this. But I doubt my answer will be very interesting, so sorry again, in advance.

My answer is a definite maybe :P

I'm tempted to say believing that an intervention would accomplish more good than harm is a necessary condition, but I'm not sure if it's a sufficient condition. I would almost certainly support some hypothetical intervention somewhere to prevent genocide if I thought we could make the situation better. I probably wouldn't support an intervention to topple some country's government just because I thought that country would be better off under different leadership. Although to some extent this latter case could just be covered under the necessary condition: I'd also be skeptical that the latter intervention would make people better off even if in theory I think a different government would be better.

But in any case, I don't think the simple heuristic is likely to be enough in practice.

Either would work, but "worse than the counter-factual with non-intervention" seems like the best choice. As far as my confidence levels, they are generally low on just about everything involving foreign policy, but most of the time I think being quite uncertain about the consequences of military intervention is a reasonable argument against that kind of intervention.

lol at "negotiation table".. NK has conceded nothing and trump has giving them everything they could hope for.

also if you want to push conspiracy theories about Iran building nuclear weapons despite independent organizations and the US inspecting them under the deal, then be my guest if it makes you feel better about your supreme leaders art of the deal negotiations..

I'm guessing you have watched Red Dawn >100 times.

What is lol about that? Orange man met with Kim... They were negotiating... You also don't respond to being shown completely wrong... You said orange man was super nice to him. He threatened "fire and fury, and frankly power, like never seen before"..

I'm not pushing any theories. Just saying you are blindly believing Iran a country that chants "death to israel" and "death to america" would stop trying to make a nuke. Sure, if you are so trusting, go for it.

Also what is did orange man give to kim that was "everything they wanted"?

A week after Trump threatened that nk fired a missile over japan.

Thank you for the response.

It seems that the high amount of uncertainty as to what will happen of the consequences of intervention is an important factor for you in determining whether intervention is sound.

What do you say in response to this: there is a high certainty that bad things will
continue to occur both within X country and for X country’s immediate neighbors if the US does not interfere militarily in the operations of X country, but it is highly uncertain whether military operations will be quickly achieved and even less certain that success will occur. Do you intervene?

No, probably once. That cannot happen to US. Nobody has what it takes to invade it that way.

This mfer Bolton has nothing to do with me. I dont like him at all and it pisses me off he got up there out of some FOX channel bs show years ago. Unlike these war happy but no personal risk of course punks however i am not afraid of it if the future is worse than the loss now. I will try my best to not go there of course. I will propose war and as alternative immediately cooperation in peaceful projects plus signs from them that their government is not a one man game anymore. Otherwise you have 1 year to remove your missiles or Seoul to evacuate and then North face a strike hell 24/7. I would create the conditions for him to be taken down from his own people. And i would have an active assassination program for all these aholes worldwide. How hard is it to get close?

I would force China and Russia by declaring financial and all kinds of internal destabilization war to them if they didnt cooperate to block them (N Korea) and not have any way to survive completely isolated from the rest of the world. I would promise Russia and China i would never strike them first with nuclear weapons and promise them cooperation in all kinds of common good projects if they cooperated on this.

You guys do not realize that if tyrants have nuclear weapons they will be used one day with very high probability when they have improved their delivery methods a lot. Why, because such aholes will be super excited to be taken down in history as the one that did it to the big guy. It wasnt China or Russia, it was them, it will be them if it ever is anyone. You better believe it that your game becomes how to make such mfer happy to live because if something goes wrong he will go for it for his bs legacy or near the end or they will give it all to terrorists if not already. Yes wouldn't that be great if N Korea soon declared to the world that it has nukes already inside the US so dont touch us! This is the future with appeasement. You have to be able to draw the facking line on who has this kind of weapons. Only systems that have to lose a tone by using them must have them.


Look guys. I surely cannot afford to look completely different than my true nature that is peaceful. It would be against my life. But you cannot allow the fact you hate war to allow the world to take a direction that will collapse everything one day. Trump and other d!ckhe@ds think they are tough but they are losers. They would never stand up for something important like the future.

Either you strike these aholes on the way to ICBM perfection before they are there or you have an active program to take them out from inside in other ways as you buy time. Ignoring it and taking photos with it wont solve it. You buy a world where endless stream of mfers have now weapons that can dictate to all others how to deal with them as they abuse millions. This is facking unacceptable.

Wow... So your plan is to threaten Russia and China, but then make promises not to go to nuclear attack?

So if Russia and China believe you that you won't nuke them, why would they just sit by and accept your threats without responding in kind?

What makes you think Russia and China don't enjoy having Iran and NoKo there to keep your attention focused? What will you do when you suddenly realize that Russia and China are actually working as diligently as possible to keep Iran and NoKo a sharp thorn in your side?

Masque,

Your take is absurdly hawkish, over-simplified and lazy. War is always an available option but stepping right into that as any kind of solution is essentially a panic/spaz move to avoid managing the complexities. And your assertions to China and Russia wouldn’t play out remotely like you expect it would, they have interests and leverages far more complex than you seem to be giving them credit for.

On the other hand, we’re closing in on almost 80 years without a nuclear strike or World War-scale conflict, and that’s in spite of some tense moments, proliferation, and a lot of hawks, and to some extent cultures that spent a lot of of time expecting and worrying about it too. These are problems you’re never going to see fully solved so you may want to make your peace with it now, but at least with effort we may be able to continue to manage them.

The US is trying to bribe the Iranian ship captain for the boat they want inpounded.

They should throw in a free weekend at Mar-a-Lago and seal the deal.