Doesn't really surprise me. I would have guessed that Asian Americans were wealthier on the whole than people who identify as white.

You don’t have to say something is ok for it to be acceptable by society.

You don’t understand how calling black protestors domestic terrorists for protesting and burning stuff down but when sports teams riots, where is the outrage? Where are the domestic terrorist chants? I hear time and time again how BLM burnt down our cities(lol) and I have never heard anything remotely similar or malicious said about sports team protests or riots or whatever you want to call them.

What’s the relevance of this?

I certainly have said in this forum that all sports are incentives for violence and I heartily disapprove.
I have said elsewhere that those riots lend credence to my argument.

But I still don't see the racial aspect.
I haven't studied the sports riots, but based on the photos I have seen and the neighborhoods they have been in, black people, if not a majority, are definitely over represented in sports rioters.

And I don't know what "chants" you are referring to, but most of the protestors in 2020 were white people, where I live overwhelmingly so (probably >90%).

I'm not the one who brought it up, but I would guess it could show that racism, at least with regards to immigrant communities, is not severe enough to prevent financial success.

Seems like a pretty absurd take.

I hope that you are right.

I'm 100% serious.

This is pretty obviously far too narrow. Surely we would want to include people who have a significant animus against a race or sexism but not the specific belief about inferiority.

I don't see how it is even logically possible to be a racist and adhere to a colorblind ideology.

Start off as racist. You think whites are better than browns let’s say


Then someone teaches you that browns have it much much worse than white across almost all parts of life

You accept this, but instead of trying to fix the inequality, you say well I don’t see color or believe in race, and since race nor color isn’t real, brown people can’t be treated worse than white people, because brown people and white people don’t exist, because I don’t see race

Would you like to explain for us why you believe that's an absurd take?

The pool is kinda skewed to begin no? Skilled labor/people with loot already students/bright kids etc

If we assume the bolded, then the person in question does not actually hold to the colorblind view.

The colorblind view is that all races are equal.

In your example, the person does see race from the get-go.

They didn’t start off as color blind but a combination of their racism and denial led them there

Okay. Thanks for clarifying.

Yup. It ignores lots of starting facts about various people and their other to the US. To say nothing of the weird transactional way it framed racism.

If you go back and read the post that I was responding to it should be pretty obvious.

Actually, it is this category you mention, and not the other, that is racism.

Racism is like pornography, you’ll know it when you see it.

It led them to claim to be color blind, not to actually be.
Obviously someone who is racist isn't going to actually become color blind.

You're still not explaining how this makes a person racist fwiw. It's not enough to treat people the same, instead you have to be actively working to fix inequality to not be a racist? Don't you think that's a pretty high bar?

Exactly.

I think PW has done a good job of addressing this, but I'll add some points of my own.

First off, I'll note that I didn't suggest that adhering to a colourblind ideology makes someone racist (nor did you suggest I did). I would think most, and maybe all, people who sincerely believe in a colourblind world (and truly walk the walk), do not have hatred for people of other skin colours. I'm leaving aside inherent biases they may be unaware of. So to that extent, I might agree that one can not be a true racist and sincerely adhere to a colourblind ideology. Not just because said ideology would mean no races, thus they can't be racist, but also because said sincere adherence means they hold no such hatred.

But that still leaves us with an important issue that Rococo has alluded to. True racists will use "colourblindness" as cover to avoid righting any wrongs, while well-meaning people can be blinded by their "colourblindness", as in Rococo's quote. And there are lots of people in between, who are quite willfully ignorant - they know or suspect things aren't right, but would prefer to just brush that aside and say it's all OK as long as they treat people equally now. Are all of these people racist? I believe most people would say no. But I'm not unsympathetic to those who would argue otherwise, because it's ****ing 2022 and how the hell can you possibly be ignorant of the impact of past racism and the racist policies and attitudes that still exist today?

Obviously this is a significant factor.

Elaborate please.