It was never really tested in court. Instead of going to court, the DOJ just kept seizing money the sites were transferring to and from banks and FT/PS kept humming along bc they were making so much money hand over fist

The problem was the whole thing was a grey area. It was never explicitly legal, but it was never illegal either. The UIGEA is a banking law, a bunch of regulations that gave banks incentive to not do business with sites knowingly. The key part is knowingly, so that they don't get fined

Back in like 2002 PayPal was what people used to deposit and withdraw and they were pressured into no longer doing so. That's when NETeller came about (basically Canadian version of PayPal)

Now we have, slowly, state by state explicit legalization. Removes ambiguity...Only a few states have legalized and it's all quite a big joke. It's nice to be able to use PayPal again tho

The thing that always pissed me off about UIGEA/Black Friday is that the US is starving for tax revenue and clearly has the wherewithal to build out a massive industry that can rival, maybe even dwarf any other poker/sports betting industry overseas. A federally legalized avenue could have led to billions, if not trillions in tax revenue, jobs (industry jobs, regulatory oversight, and us the players)

It was simply never possible. Politicians only give a **** about what politicians give a **** about. They don't even pretend anymore. Bill Frist simply wanted to be President. Online poker was a victim of political expediency...

My assumption or understanding, or theory suggest that the US was net losing to PS. Not that its a counter to your point so much, but game theoretically it would be, because of the more immediate non-cooperative gain that the fbi/doj would have made from the move.

I love poker, this is a poker forum. It can't hurt to get people talking about why it's illegal (or the technical distinction we've established: not available regulated by a legal authority ^^).

I think now is a great time to talk about legalizing poker. Sports betting is booming across the US. Maybe now's our shot because there are finally some companies with enough money working legally here that can effect change. Politicians are cheap. Our dollars are probably worth more to big gambling companies than a couple bribes in DC.

Huh? There was a massive shake-up in online poker in 2006.

It's true. Party Poker was a publicly traded stock and lost half it's value immediately.

We can debate semantics, but the intent of UIEGA was to prevent online gambling. Barney Frank fought against UIEGA on our behalf, got it's implementation delayed, but failed. Then 2011 Black Friday came with United States v. Scheinberg:

So, in retrospect, Republicans successfully killed online poker with the UIEGA, despite Democrats attempts to regulate it.

Unsurprisingly, Luckbox has zero clue wtf he’s talking about and is dead wrong.

Forgetting about party poker hardly makes me "dead wrong", Black Friday was in 2011, right?

Incorrect. You are DEAD WRONG. You stated that "nothing happened to online poker in 2006." That statement is factually incorrect. And it is not close. Party leaving significantly altered the landscape. The Neteller mess occurred around then as well, which also affected online poker. You do not know what the **** you are talking about. Bertrand Russell was correct when he said, "The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt" He was speaking directly about you.

I have this dumb**** on ignore, but I still see his dumb **** when someone else quotes it. Any way to not see the quotes from this zero?

Ok dude. You know more about poker history than me. Good job. Now go **** yourself.

Also no one quoted the post you just responded to fwiw.

Why would you use the word 'directly' here?

I used to be friends with Bertrand Russel until he said that **** about me. Archer knows this.

Ok, please stop fighting now. Any more direct insults or discussion about each other will be deleted and infracted whenever I make it back here.

It's UIGEA.

I'm not trying to rewrite history. In fact I agree with you about what happened in 2006, I merely forgot about party poker pulling from the US market then. That doesn't change the fact that you're talking crazy **** here.

Is there some reason why this issue has you so passionate?

Republican *******s are what caused the 2006 mess and subsequent death of online poker. Someone coming here now claiming people who are pro-online poker should vote Republican is asinine to the nth degree. You do not let the wolf guard the chicken coop. Duh.

Because I am not perfect. “Exactly” is better.

As we all know, there are facts and then there are alternative facts.

LOL! Pretty impressive. I even effed up the title. Likely why I couldn't get any search results too. Very consistent with my mistake.

What if an alliance of poker players was formed to get this overturned and bring back Party Poker and Stars?

Of all the reasons you could find to support a party, online poker seems like a very low tier and selfish reason to pick a side.

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No because the economic leak online poker creates (plus the channel for un-authorized currency exchange) will outweigh any efforts from the subset of the population that is online poker players. I think instead rely on the evolution of technology.

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Campfirewest is joking. There used to be something called the Poker Players Alliance that formed with the goal of lobbying for federal legalization of online poker. There also used to be a Poker Legislation subforum and a PPA subforum here on 2+2 to support those efforts

Shout out to Skallagrim, TheEngineer, among many others, they did yeoman's work I will forever appreciate

Nothing except having to get paid in snail mail checks from shady processors that the bank would grill you about and occasionally a processor would get jammed in the interim and you'd be told not to deposit it when it arrives. One site was charging $50 for FedEx "overnight," which would take 2 weeks to arrive, but that was far better than several weeks and no tracking number.

In 2009, Stars was able to offer wires for a fee and they would hit within a week, but before that it was a complete shitshow. Of course we found out the reason why cashouts were so good for a year and a half before Black Friday was because an American bank owner was knowingly processing them for a payment processor.

They are all operating in a greyzone and can be shut down tomorrow with your money gone. They are terrible places with speculations of shady dealings, Bots, rigged, etc.

They all have weird payment processors which make them look even more shady. Basically just Bitcoin is the way to get funds in and out. That is why basically no online poker pros play from the US and are forced to relocate. There are of course exceptions, the sites sponsored pros. Which all look fishy to me. except moneymaker who got bought by acr. not he hasn't left it yet.

Acr looks to me, if I look at it, and I looked at it yesterday, like a a veery shady site. like one that I would stay away from. No real traffic anyways. Only US players.


The US is fenced off from all int. player pools. Like I said it's a greyzone and can be gone tomorrow and nobody would even wonder why.

And bobo you were totally wrong about legitimate sites banning you for cashing out after 48 or even 24 hours of play. You can't deliver an example for that, as it never happened to my knowledge. You can deposit play, bink, and cash out. No site has ever banned me for that. and I play for almost 20 years like that. I can even cash out 2 minutes after I deposit if I want to. That would not make any sense only if I hit a jackpot. Some stables and backers do want you to withdraw after 24-48 hours. No legitimate site has ever banned them for that. idk about gg as i dont really use it. Ask koshko if I'm right. I'm right. You haven't been playing or paying any attention lately or you wouldn't have said what you said in NVG.