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Maybe you have a mind that only sees in race. The Vietnamese diaspora is one example of many of people who made it despite zero, and I mean zero, start. I didn't say it's race, you did. I would count cutural factors such as

1. The ability to save money
2. Delyayed gratification
3. Ability to live on much much less than you earn
4. Goal directed activities focused on financially rewarding careers
5. Education, education, education.

If these 5 values are ingrained in you as a child, you'll be fine in America. I don't see how that relates to skin color at all.

One not so subtle reparation is the blood debt paid by 360,000 northerners in the Civil War.

Affirmative action quotas and the standards in universities are another form of reparation and it has backfired. The Japanese community was small and it was easy to measure exactly what was taken away. Some lump sum payment to all black people (again, some blacks owned slaves, some were never enslaved) by the rest of society (many non-whites and non-slave owning whites) would measure into the hundreds of trillions if it's to be worthwhile sum of money.

Most philanthropists know that giving money isn't the best way to help people. Again you're putting racism where there wasn't any. A better policy than giving money would be better financial education where it's needed - which is why I'm for charter schools. Public education is and will always remain terrible - for a vast number of reasons you won't like hearing, including unions and tenure. However if they could start teaching those 5 values I mentioned above instead of victimization, it would be a good start.

Yes, William Ellison's grandchildren would be descendents of slave owners. Do you see why?

The median networth of white Americans is 150K. That's laughably easy to outdo within 5 years for someone that is financially intelligent and is willing to do what it takes. Can easily be done within 10 years for others of not as much financial capacity but wants to grind it up.

"Just work your way up" is one part of it, add "smartly and frugally".

Work hard, save every penny you can, live very frugally, invest as much as humanly possible your earnings. And re-invest all earnings. Do it for a decade. Or more.

What issues would they be, specifically.
I'm always up for some self improvement.
(or are you being patronizing again ?)

In the mean time, I take it you're not going to bother defending your racist world view anymore ?

begging the question much? lol you're entertaining.

ok now i'm being patronizing

Well yeah, I went quite overboard on that. Do have a few million in net worth as a result and I'm 33. Don't expect others to be as insane as I was / am.

Not only did the courageous Vietnamese overcome displacement and learning a new culture, they got past the high hurdle of teacher's unions too.

Surely they must be a breed apart !!!

(not just for you)


do you want your chefs having tenure?

your food safety inspectors?

your heart surgeons?

the people who teach your children?

You're whole attitude regarding the plight of AA's in this country is patronizing. Which is why it's funny that you accuse Dems of doing it. It's the beam clearly sticking out of your own eye, fcs.

You keep trying to make the point that you can ignore the way other people see and treat you in society and somehow rise above it.

That's a nice talking point but if that were really the case why didn't AA's just stop being slaves on their own. I mean, either we all control our own destiny or we don't. Right ?

And once you realize the deck is actually stacked then you have to try and fix it. Unless you're the beneficiary of the stacked deck, in which case it's best to deny it.

I don't think tenure means what you think it does.

But I certainly want anyone who works hard to produce valuable goods and services for society to have a work environment where they're paid fairly and are entitled to due process before they're disciplined. As that frees up mental energy they can now use to develop their talents and do their jobs.

The way that happens is unions.

I mean if you want your children's teachers worried about local politics instead of teaching their lesson than I guess your position makes sense. I think it's kind of dumb but maybe you like the petty drama in life. I really don't.

You're gonna freak out when you learn that culinary workers actually do have a union.

Unions also use their power to bully politicians into enacting policies that are bad for children. They also bully newer teachers who aren't as high up.

Tenure just makes it extremely hard and expensive to fire them and it kills any incentive to be effective teachers. I'm all for competition in areas that require service to other humans. I want teachers to be just a little worried that if they fail their kids, they'll be looking for a new job elsewhere.

I want self-appointed Forum chaplains to have tenure.

Hahahahaahahahhahaha. Right, it's not that the Black race is inferior. It's just that Black culture is inferior. Dude, that's super racist.

1. Black people don't have money to save.
2. It's hard to delay gratification when you don't have enough to live on.
3. That requires getting a job that pays more than enough to live on
4. Those careers don't accept equally qualified Black people
5. Redlining undermines the quality of Black education to this day.


LOL. Right, we ended slavery, and then no Black person ever faced another injustice. This is what racists actually believe.

Whatever you believe about the existence of affirmative action these days, I'm sure it's false.
Great injustices deserve great repayments, yes. That's how it works. I don't think you're very good at math, though. And I reiterate, slavery is far from the only injustice that Black people have faced. You continue to ignore Jim Crow and housing discrimination that Black people alive today have faced.

False

Public education is most definitely not terrible everywhere. In fact, it's quite good in areas with money, and the reason why it's terrible in Black areas is because of a lack of money, which is due to racism.

I think you don't understand what racism means.

Due to racism? Taxes pay for public schools. There is less tax revenue in poor urban centers. According to you that's soley from racism. Again, one cause for complex phenomina is a silly argument and it appears nobody is with you on that. But soldier on.

By the way, there are many black people in those wealthier areas with those great public schools. Are you telling me they're not allowed to go to them, or do you just doubt their existence.

You don't seem to understand what racism is because you keep conflating race with culture/identity. Can you define racism, and then prove how racism is the sole cause of all these problems?

Are people just going to pretend like investment bankers aren’t going to come along buy up all the charter schools and consolidate all of them into two or three companies?

Black people with a college degree have less wealth than whites without a high school diploma:



Resumes with Black names get fewer interviews and callbacks than resumes that are identical except for having a white-sounding name.

That a Black person can be a CEO is not some proof that racism doesn't exist. "Black people account for about 12% of the U.S. population, but occupy only 3.2% of the senior leadership roles at large companies in the U.S. and just 0.8% of all Fortune 500 CEO positions, according to the analysis by the Center for Talent Innovation, a workplace think tank in New York City."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/black-p...w-report-says/

And no, poor urban centers aren't something that happened due to complex, interconnected factors. It's due to racist redlining practices.

I don't dispute the statistics, I dispute the cause. You haven't shown evidence that systemic racism is the sole or even most important cause, you've just stated that it's your opinion and added statistics.

What, other than racism, is a reason to call back Greg but not Jamal on otherwise identical resumes?

I'd need to read the study. You'd need a very large sample size.

And you'd also have to have almost identical qualifications as a constant for the experiment to be accurate. If Jamal went to the same school, had an equal resume, etc etc, then maybe I'd grant that. Seems to be not in the interest of the manager to hire a worse candidate based on race. Not a good long run policy.

By the way, remember how I said affirmative action was bad. Say Jamal went to a good school, but the employer thinks maybe he got in based on his race, as black students require much lower sat points lower to get in than asians and whites. Could it be, it's not racism, but well-intentioned social policy that's adding to the discrimination?

They used literally identical resumes with different names.

This is a complete straw man. No serious person believes this.

Two things. First, no one is arguing that it is impossible to accumulate wealth if you are black, Latino, Asian, or whatever. It's certainly possible. In fact, there are numerous examples of minorities who were born into modest circumstances and became extremely wealthy. Anecdotal examples of people who overcame the odds will always exist, no matter how ****ed up this country becomes. The point is that, all other factors being equal, it is almost certainly easier to accumulate wealth if you are white.

Second, I can't speak to the Vietnamese refugee experience where you live, but the American dream certainly has not delivered for all East Asian immigrants. My neighborhood has tons of old Asian immigrants who collect cans and stand in long lines to get free food from soup kitchens on the weekends. Those are not things you do if you have managed to accumulate wealth.

Interesting Sowell's take on names

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/Co..._29_05_TS.html

Nah, that boss sounds pretty racist, bro.

Ah, right, pre-judging someone with a Black name to be inferior is okey dokey after all!