This right wing guilt ideology is very common. “Kanye exists, stop crying libs!”

They wear it like some woke non racist lapel pin even though it shows them as being intellectually challenged and perhaps even a smidge racist.

“Fresh Prince Baby!”

Either is two meals a day, a straw mat on the barn floor and a 12 hour daily exercise regime picking cotton, I guess.

You make a very compelling argument.

You think he has no grounds? Seems like Terra Firma to me. I am sure he doesn’t need my help but I am available if he wants assistance. I would even testify to it in an Irish Court Room.

Well I tried to compromise and look where it got me. That's why you never compromise with a reactionary, they just turn around and demand what they originally wanted anyways.

So sounds like that's a no for charter schools. If you just want to use them to union bust then no.

These seem like great ideas that currently aren't politically possible.

Doesnt mean we shouldn't keep pushing for them though so eventually they do become possible

I'd to see something I said that you thought was racist.

Not sure how it's ridiculous. It's a process violation argument. There are a few libertarians (Nozack is one) who talk about giving reparations for slavery, theft of land by native Americans, etc. In fact its a good conservative argument because once it happens it nullifies any future claims.

Its just that conservatives have had much better success with just denying that any process violation has occurred at all. Slavery and Jim Crow is over, what are people complaining about?

I don't think the reparations argument is good framework though because it does lend itself to a conservative framework. Best to stick to a more socialist friendly framework of saying we want an end state of general equality and we have a lot of inequality that could be remedied of which historical contributed to

Well I'm not a racist and neither you or anyone else who has falsely accused me of being one have provided a scintilla of evidence to support this, (I otoh was able to effortlessly provide evidence of your hybristophilia) so I think we're good.

Furthermore you would never have need to testify in an Irish courtroom that anyone is a racist as we don't have thought crime legislation over my way. Regarding me specifically you;d have to witness me commit a racist hate crime in order to testify and that would never happen as I'm not a racist or a criminal, so again I reckon we're good.

You have no idea how to quantify racism. You claimed in another thread that the woman who pulled a gun on those black ladies viewed them as animals and acted outa fear due to viewing black people as animals and her husband acted angrily for the same reason.

You also claimed earlier that you only accused people of being racists after much well thought out rumination...

So again you don't know how to evaluate identify or quantify racism and you're not what should be considered shall we say a reliable source on such matters.

Of course we all want more equitable outcomes but the issue is in the how. Affirmative action hasn't worked. With natives, the reservation system was supposed to help and it has been tragic in it's consequences.

I don't know. I don't see how it's bad to respect people enough to not make victims out of them. That's the Douglass argument and it's echoed a lot in conservative circles, by economists like Walter Williams.

No, plenty of people don't care about equitable outcomes. They focus on the process and if no violation happened than an unequal outcome is fine with them. That's why they say equality of opportunity and not equality of outcomes.

I suspect that that's where you'll end up, but who knows.

As far as respecting people not to make victims out of them who knows what that means.

I mean general equality. You can't have exact equality. I don't know anyone on either side who wants to see one group down significantly.

I meant exactly what I said. So if you make an entire race out to be a victim, you're not giving them any respect as far as them having the ability to climb out of it, without gov't interference. It's patronizing.

Wealth gets passed down generationally, and yet people alive today lived under Jim Crow, under red lining, etc., that deprived them of wealth to pass down. Even granting strictly for the sake of argument that everything is even steven right now (it's not), it's absurd to think that the wealth disparity between Black people and white people is anything other than the victimization of Black people, and from which they could not on average crawl out from to parity with white people.

If union busting is the difference between successful and unsuccessful charter schools, then what?

Like with the gi bill for instance it was pretty much system wide and didn't just take place in the 'Jim Crow areas'. Like it or not there's a tab to be settled there in order to 'make it right'. How else could you call any attempts to fix it Justice?? It's not/would not be Free Money also btw. When something is stolen from you and you get it returned is that 'Free'?

Someone called me on my BS and I can't defend myself.

They must be banned !!!!!!

Conservatives really do hate democracy in all it's form. I love it.

Totally racist.

I'm not calling for a ban though. That's lame.

Having employment today = slave labour.

You learn something new in the world where english isn't english anymore.

You don't make a compelling argument at all.

Blacks are on welfare and dependent on the government because dems bought their votes.
I don't like affirmative action (but only because I care about the Blacks).
I don't like Black History Month and it's okay because a famous black guy also doesn't like it.

But mostly, I think America is and always has been a place where everyone has an equal shot in life and we should all just move on.

I'm not racist. I care. I really do.......

Also, **** the unions. I don't care THAT much.


Honest question. Are you ItsHot's little brother ?

Do you think white's only drinking fountains were patronizing or did you just get angry since Obama was elected ?

PS Those ordinances were enforced by.....wait for it.......

This (bolded part) is what Sowell calls the 'vision of the annointed.' Clearly you've got some higher knowledge than the rest of us as you can ascribe complex phenomena to one and only one cause. He's studied this wealth gap thoroughly if you would like to research it.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...nd-disparities

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/...y-and-politics


The Vietnamese for instance came here with nothing but the clothes on their backs and now are successful - moreso than whites. Is that from "yellow privilege?" Why did their collective wealth go from 0 to what it is now, if wealth as you say only comes from being passed down through generations?

I think you don't understand what 'patronizing' is.

Were Vietnamese owned and abused as slaves? It seems like a different starting point.

Reparations are already in place and they haven't helped. They breed an entitlement mentality and don't breed a good work ethic and personal responsibility. I completely understand horrible injustices were done. I'm not agreeing that giving money is a great public policy for black people. As Shelby Steele says, the KKK couldn't have come up with a better policy than affirmative action for keeping blacks down.

Injustice as a whole has been done to pretty much every working class person in the US. White children in coal mines dying in their 20s... what should we do for their progeny, assuming they had any? Child labor isn't allowed anymore, but it was then. Do we owe them anything?

What about the descendents of black slaveowners? Should they get reparations?

His point was that wealth only comes from being handed down through generations.

Not literally but they were certainly abused via French colonization, American agent orange & blanket bombing and sexual exploitation by American GIs and very probably French military also. The system didn't stop them succeeding though and hasn't stopped many black Americans succeeding.

Now, I'm not saying that successful black Americans disproves systemic racism, as there were successful black Americans in the early 20th century. However this success was either in limited niches such as sports like Jack Johnson (who was given a bs conviction on trumped up charges anyway) catering to a black market such as the founder of Ebony magazine or at the expense of their own dignity such as actor Lincoln Perry.

But it's a completely different paradigm today. Black Americans can be successful in far more ways today.

As I said I suspect this is a form of class discrimination ultimately.