That's it, I've just read this article and this strong need overcomes me to talk about it.

Kelly Slater, probably the most famous surfer is 50 and he is stomping the competion into the ground. This has never been done before, not at this age. In the article it implies this is thanks to an experience with drugs.

"In a testimonial posted to Facebook and presumably related to the Ayahuasca ceremonies held at the resort, he said, “I got a miracle of information. "

That one testimony would not mean a **** to me, but I heard this before about Steve jobs and other people from the silicon valley. They are experiencing with this stuff with patients with results nobody wants to talk about. My Mexican ex gf who was a nutcase always resorted to Ayahuasca, when she didn't know what to do in life. It is pretty normal for Latin Americans to consume this stuff. She wanted us to take it so I googled it and found a horror story where the user ended up dead or murdering people. I said no. So it is dangerous imo in the wrong setting with the wrong people. What do you guys think?

https://beachgrit.com/2021/08/did-a-...f-information/

I know a number of people who have taken ayahuasca (some Berliners even), I've seen it growing in Peru, and seen people preparing it-- but I've never done it.

But of the people I've talked to about it, they pretty much all have good things to say. You're supposed to know who you're getting it from though. Sometimes they apparently use angel trumpet (another psychedelic plant that can kill people) to enhance the effect, and that's apparently really bad.

But people travel to the Peruvian jungle (Iquitos mainly I think) just for it. I'll probably try it at some point although San Pedro seems more appealing.

Absolutely true, drugs affect everyone differently.

I don't smoke pot cause I get paranoid and violent if i get too high.

And thats the old stuff, not the stuff you can get today with higher THC.

My son died after taking mushrooms in May, he became violent and shot himself.

There were other people involved, its not clear if he took them intentionally or got dosed, police are writing it off as suicide.

But he was left alone at some point.

Abandoned in the mist of a bad trip by the people who gave you the drug?

There's a crime in there IMO.

I believe its more than just suicide, but the police around here aren't the best.



But drug use is romantized more and more.

Portrayed as basically harmless.

And people get irate if you happen to mention that their drug of choice has risks.

whatever

I hope you are alright. I'm sorry to hear this. If you want to talk you can pm me or talk here in the thread. I've heard these stories before with mushrooms. I think a famous German poker played died after taking mushrooms. It's not only the setting that needs to be right but also ones own mindset I've heard. I can relate to you about the thc, I get paranoid too and the stuff becomes more and more potent. Artificially enhanced and even laced with synthetic the these days.

Yes it was mushrooms. Johannes strassmann was his name.
http://www.pocketfives.com/articles/...-589828/%3famp

This is another guy had a godcomplex after mushrooms and I killed his father. So yes I think this stuff can be really dangerous. That said I my ex took it over 100 times acc. to her account and it grows wild everywhere in mexico.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4735129/t...is-father/amp/

Thank you for your sentiments, I'm still not in a good place,probably never will be.

I've heard the same thing about setting and mindset when it comes to taking drugs.It makes a major difference between a good or bad trip.
And some people just don't have a good experience, ever.

Plus never taking psychogenic drugs alone unless you have experience.

But like a lot of things, telling drug enthusiasts that not everyone can benefit from taking drugs is the same as talking to pitbull owners or right wingers that maybe your beliefs arent for everyone.

whatever

Sure, we all deal with losses. Good comparison imo. If I might add something, your son I'm sure is in a very good place now. I've yesterday seen a doc about near death experiences and they all said the other side is magnificent. They also said not to glorify the other side as life is great too. Just to let you know that your son is in a good place I think. If that helps. Everything is really temporarily. We are here for just a matter of time.

I wish i had your optimism, but i have a hard time thinking he's in a better place.

I really even have a hard time talking about it, it brings up so much pain and sadness.



whatever

Of course, you wouldn't be human if it didn't make you feel this way. Let it happen I heard is the best way. But you could and should seek councelling. A group or a shrink are adviced even if you don't see the point in this now. It helps. Your son would definetly want you to enjoy everything and you should. Are you religious in any way?

If you are in the states you have a few options I think.
Make your peace with it. If you think there was foul play you could you could investigate or hire someone to do it.

Def don't go with ceremonies or people outside of Latin America is what I heard. And only with real shamans or people who do this stuff for centuries. It's a century old tradition in these cultures. Some western dubious wannabe shamans are crooks. It's a big market.

I'm really sorry to hear about your son Eeyofora. My mom's best friend lost her son-- someone i've known since he was 5-- to heroin last year. I can't even imagine what's it's like but my heart goes out to you.

Yeah. I spent a couple of week in and around Iquitos and it's pretty much the capital for it. I stayed at a hippe commune near there where they do ayahuasca ceremonies. Actually while I was there, there was a woman from Cyrpus (of all places)-- who had done some and the people in charge of the place had a problem with it because people weren't supposed to be doing it alone. They had had problems in the past.

But I do think it's big business there and I recall hearing from people about how one had to be careful. Although I met a Dutch girl who did it as a part of a group of probably mostly Europeans, and I met the guide person and he seemed legit and she had a good experience.

I find the subject fascinating even as a tee-totaller. Expansion is one of the fundamental goals of therapy as opposed to constriction, and there is sure plenty of evidence that it can help accomplish that, but into what and how extreme and total loss of boundaries is quite a radical experience I'm sure. It's probably a lot like chemo. Huge upside with huge side-effects.